DOGE Catch-All | RIP DOGE

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TangledUpInBlue06 said:
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Breaking that spending increase down a little further, most of the increase, almost all the increase, is more social security and Medicare spending. That's to be expected as we get more old people. There is also a nontrivial increase in interest payments on the debt.

The discretionary spending has gone down a bit as DOGE did cut a fair amount of programs and government got shutdown so I'm sure contracts got pushed, but when you add in the new defense outlays, total non entitlement spending has gone up slightly. So I'm not sure it's really fair to call DOGE a failure as much as they spent those DOGE savings on defense increases (and immigration enforcement) that I would argue we don't really need.
 
CHAINSAW!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Anyone even remotely paying attention new that was never going to go well.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
That's reallocation, not savings, right?
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Yeah but I'm not sure DOGE was the one calling for that reallocation. Their mandate was savings by eliminating unnecessary government waste. They knew they were going to cut too deep in some areas and those were the areas that we're going to be called out in Twitter posts but overall, I think they got some good results. And those results were wasted because savings were spent on different government waste.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Yeah but I'm not sure DOGE was the one calling for that reallocation. Their mandate was savings by eliminating unnecessary government waste. They knew they were going to cut too deep in some areas and those were the areas that we're going to be called out in Twitter posts but overall, I think they got some good results. And those results were wasted because savings were spent on different government waste.
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Any time you do that much random stuff, you're likely to get some good results. I'm not so sure they did but, if they did, I'm pretty damned sure what they did is not repeatable or worth the damage and disruption it caused in other ways. Think of it as ROI. This experiment sucked.
 
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gtyellowjacket said:
Yeah but I'm not sure DOGE was the one calling for that reallocation. Their mandate was savings by eliminating unnecessary government waste. They knew they were going to cut too deep in some areas and those were the areas that we're going to be called out in Twitter posts but overall, I think they got some good results. And those results were wasted because savings were spent on different government waste.
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I don't think we've even begun to see the cost of cuts to things like USAID.
 
nycfan said:
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🎁 —> How Did DOGE Disrupt So Much While Saving So Little?
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“… But the group did not do what Mr. Musk said it would: reduce federal spending by $1 trillionbefore October. On DOGE’s watch, federal spending did not go down at all. It went up.

How is that possible?

One big reason, according to a New York Times analysis: Many of the largest savings that DOGE claimed turned out to be wrong. And while the group did make thousands of smaller cuts, jolting foreign aid recipients, American small businesses and local service providers, those amounted to little in the scale of the federal budget….”
 
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“… Together, those two false entries were bigger than 25,000 of DOGE’s other claims combined.

Of the 40 biggest claims on DOGE’s list, The Times found only 12 that appeared accurate — reflecting real reductions in what the government had committed to spend.

… Mr. Musk had said that DOGE would be “the most transparent organization in government ever,” and that it would bring the precision of the tech world to government. Instead, the group became opaque, with its lack of progress obscured by errors, redactions and indecipherable accounting that few private businesses would accept.…”
 
Sometimes it’s amusing to go back to the beginning of threads like these and see what posters were saying what 6 - 8 months ago.
 
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