Dominion needs to sue MTG

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CallMeTyler said:
They won’t be. It’s why they all “praise” the military but very few that politicize that praise actually had the intestinal fortitude to serve themselves.

They’re courageous by association, not by action.
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Exactly my thought, not stolen valor, but stolen courage. My brother, a die hard pub, used to have a bumper sticker with the flag on it that said, "These colors don't run." That always struck me as pretty silly since he didn't serve.
 
ZenMode said:
People like to say stuff. How many people were going to leave the country if Trump won vs how many actually left?
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In a civil war type scenario, 99% are all bluster until they see that the 1% is going to go through with it. Then the rest feel more empowered.

No saying that is going to happen but once you get to critical mass the situation can blow up. Plenty of people have been enriching the uranium.

I didn’t mean to go full nuke with that reference but I was half way there and figured I might as well continue it.
 
Also the side that starts the conflict will think they are fighting FOR America. The groundwork has been laid for this. They have been working hard on that since 2016.

They could easily get local police on their side, all thinking they are going after the nefarious people who stole the election.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
In a civil war type scenario, 99% are all bluster until they see that the 1% is going to go through with it. Then the rest feel more empowered.

No saying that is going to happen but once you get to critical mass the situation can blow up. Plenty of people have been enriching the uranium.

I didn’t mean to go full nuke with that reference but I was half way there and figured I might as well continue it.
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I agree that you can things CAN get out of control. I just don't see there being enough true lunatics
ChapelHillSooner said:
In a civil war type scenario, 99% are all bluster until they see that the 1% is going to go through with it. Then the rest feel more empowered.

No saying that is going to happen but once you get to critical mass the situation can blow up. Plenty of people have been enriching the uranium.

I didn’t mean to go full nuke with that reference but I was half way there and figured I might as well continue it.
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Sure and I'm not saying it's impossible. Certainly there are people on the far right who out of their minds with anger, irrational concern and conspiracy theories. Even on January 6, many of the people who were angrily chanting outside the Capitol ended up just wandering around taking pictures, sitting at desks and generally behaving in a harmless manner.
 
ZenMode said:
I agree that you can things CAN get out of control. I just don't see there being enough true lunatics
Sure and I'm not saying it's impossible. Certainly there are people on the far right who out of their minds with anger, irrational concern and conspiracy theories. Even on January 6, many of the people who were angrily chanting outside the Capitol ended up just wandering around taking pictures, sitting at desks and generally behaving in a harmless manner.
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The difference is that they have had years to plan the potential next attack. And my guess is that it won't be isolated to Washington, DC. There would be multiple uprisings. The good news is that the good guys are in charge this time, and I'm guessing (hoping?) that there will be a swift and overwhelming response to whatever happens.
 
ZenMode said:
I agree that you can things CAN get out of control. I just don't see there being enough true lunatics
Sure and I'm not saying it's impossible. Certainly there are people on the far right who out of their minds with anger, irrational concern and conspiracy theories. Even on January 6, many of the people who were angrily chanting outside the Capitol ended up just wandering around taking pictures, sitting at desks and generally behaving in a harmless manner.
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That is true but I would argue that had a couple of guys pulled out guns and used them, many of the rest would have felt empowered.

And that gets me to my second point, if Trump loses I think he will abandon the plausible deniability language in favor of direct requests for violence. I believe he wanted his supporters to use their guns on 1/6 and tried to use language to incite them to do so. He'll be desperate as he is looking at jail time if he loses so he won't take a risk and will be very direct - possibly through intermediaries.

One thing you can't deny is that people listen to Trump and believe everything he says. If he says it is now or never for our country, they will take that as an absolute truth.

1/6 was a lot closer to destroying our democracy than I think people realize.
 
TarHeelGrad said:
The difference is that they have had years to plan the potential next attack. And my guess is that it won't be isolated to Washington, DC. There would be multiple uprisings. The good news is that the good guys are in charge this time, and I'm guessing (hoping?) that there will be a swift and overwhelming response to whatever happens.
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Yep. If something bad goes down, I don't think we'll have another J6 " we didn't know they were going to riot" excuse. Authorities need to be in high numbers, come in with tear gas and swat armor....and be ready for things to escalate because we know they'll be armed.
 
Here are my concerns. Trump is desperate and MAGAs believe everything Trump says. That makes it far more likely that they will do Trump’s dirty work. Finally prominent Republicans have shown no desire to go against Trump. Even on 1/6 when they were personally attacked, these politicians only temporarily went against Trump then quickly got back in li e.

If Trump asks for insurrection MAGAs will support it and Republican politicians will back him up. With the entire party behind Trump, the people will feel like they are fighting for the majority not against the majority. These people may call on local police to do Trump’s bidding which I believe many would do.

Trump isn’t staying around to go to prison. He will push whatever he can to keep that from happening with a backup plan of going to Russia. I believe he has hinted that that would be an option.

We are in unprecedented times.

Anyone who disagrees with me, feel free to mark this post and call me out on it later. I sure hope I am wrong.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
Here are my concerns. Trump is desperate and MAGAs believe everything Trump says. That makes it far more likely that they will do Trump’s dirty work. Finally prominent Republicans have shown no desire to go against Trump. Even on 1/6 when they were personally attacked, these politicians only temporarily went against Trump then quickly got back in li e.

If Trump asks for insurrection MAGAs will support it and Republican politicians will back him up. With the entire party behind Trump, the people will feel like they are fighting for the majority not against the majority. These people may call on local police to do Trump’s bidding which I believe many would do.

Trump isn’t staying around to go to prison. He will push whatever he can to keep that from happening with a backup plan of going to Russia. I believe he has hinted that that would be an option.

We are in unprecedented times.

Anyone who disagrees with me, feel free to mark this post and call me out on it later. I sure hope I am wrong.
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here’s why I disagree. I’ve done my share of talking with my MAGA pub friends trying unsuccessfully to convince them how dangerous Trump is. None of them believe that there is any chance that there will be riots, and they believe that anything that is interpreted by the dems as threats is all just bluster. If push came to shove, NONE of the MAGATS I know would take up arms and join an insurrection. The numbers who would actually do that would be significantly small.

Remember also that Trump is not the president at this point, so anything that is done post-Kamala victory would not have the implicit approval of the people in charge. If anything, I think that there WILL be some attempts at disruption, but it will hopefully rip the blinders off many peoples eyes.
 
CLT Heel said:
Remember also that Trump is not the president at this point, so anything that is done post-Kamala victory would not have the implicit approval of the people in charge. If anything, I think that there WILL be some attempts at disruption, but it will hopefully rip the blinders off many peoples eyes.
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My counter to that is that Trump will convince them that they are not the insurrectionists. He will convince them that those who stole the election are. That is a common tactic used by Trump, accuse your adversary of doing what you are doing. This tactic has been extremely successful.

Republican politicians will support Trump in these accusations - using language that offers them protection from inciting an insurrection but still support Trump. Some like MTG will outright call for an armed uprising because she is dumb enough to do it. They have shown no willingness to ever go against Trump even when their own safety was under threat.

If the average MAGA believes that the entire right half of the country is mobilizing to fight what they perceive as an insurrection, that changes the entire equation. Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a long time.
 
ZenMode said:
I agree that you can things CAN get out of control. I just don't see there being enough true lunatics
Sure and I'm not saying it's impossible. Certainly there are people on the far right who out of their minds with anger, irrational concern and conspiracy theories. Even on January 6, many of the people who were angrily chanting outside the Capitol ended up just wandering around taking pictures, sitting at desks and generally behaving in a harmless manner.
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I don't think you would consider someone who breaks into your house and forces your family into the safe room for hours to be "behaving in a harmless manner". It was a violent attempt to overthrow the government.
 
It's been so long since our country was truly at war - since we truly experienced the real devastation and death of war - that our nation has become desensitized to what it really means. It's easy for people to talk about war in the abstract; another thing entirely to experience it. No amount of on-the-ground videos of war in far away places (Gaza, Ukraine) can really give the true experience of it. Because of that, lots of people will continue to fantasize about fighting in a war for whatever supposedly noble purpose. Without any true comprehension of what it would mean to fight a war, especially another Civil War, which would have devastating effects for our country no matter who won.
 
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