dook Biorhythms, Round Two, 6:30 Start in The Dean E. Smith Center (Now With Blood)

HintonJamesHeel said:
So what? Hard to answer that. The goal is to win. If they don’t win and trend to not being a good program, will Earth fall apart? No. My point is simple. The program has had the worst six year stretch in 60 years. If you step back and say - look, it’s sports so who cares? Then it’s impossible to combat that but I thought this was a sports conversation.
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It is. Just calling attention to the fact that those six years involve a pandemic, a coaching change and a complete revampment of college basketball and player procurement. I'm not in a hurry, under the circumstances, to explore alternatives until I know a little more about what the future is going to be like.

Tell me who you see as possibilities as coach, what you think would happen to coaching staff, how it would affect alumni support and why we should chase this particular chimera right now?
 
finesse said:
Seriously. How do you think we ended up with Brian Morrison and Adam Boone in the backcourt and Jason Capel at the power forward? Just because he jumped out before the bus hit the ditch doesn't mean he didn't take the wrong turn.
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The team he left behind was a pretty talented team that was capable of winning a lot of games (and they did win 18 in a row before they fell apart, but that was on Doherty). While the 2000 recruiting class ended up being a poor one (despite that fact that Morison was , one recruiting class shouldn’t run a program into the ground. Also remember that Jason Parker was supposed to be coming in with that class but did not make it past admissions (which occurred after Gut left).

As for Jason Capel, regardless of what many Tar Heel fans feel about him now, he was a solid college player. He was also a top 10 player in his high school class, and he committed to the Heels while Dean Smith was still head coach. (In other words, he was a Dean Smith recruit and not a coach Gut recruit). Also, he didn’t end up playing power forward until 2 years after Gut left. He started small forward under Gut and also during Doherty’s first year.
 
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Jason was Top 10 in high school because he grew faster and had superior coaching in fundamentals. When other people caught up physically and in experience, he got seriously exposed. So did his attitude.
 
finesse said:
It is. Just calling attention to the fact that those six years involve a pandemic, a coaching change and a complete revampment of college basketball and player procurement. I'm not in a hurry, under the circumstances, to explore alternatives until I know a little more about what the future is going to be like.

Tell me who you see as possibilities as coach, what you think would happen to coaching staff, how it would affect alumni support and why we should chase this particular chimera right now?
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I watch the games. Our offense under Hubert is…..interesting. We have become a program that has an offense with very little ball movement. We focus on individual offensive play. That’s not a thing that historically would be known as a UNC trait. Dean and Roy built the program on the opposite. I would like to watch Hubert adapt to a more traditional UNC approach of sharing the basketball and has a free-flowing offense. There’s no debate that we do not have that now. As for who a new coach would be? No clue. No one expected Belichick on the football side. The process would have to play out. I’m pretty confident UNC could find a coach to get a roster of a top hs pg (Cadeau), a first team All-American (Davis), a top 10 recruit (Ian Jackson), a top 15 recruit (Powell) and a group of role players to the NCAA tournament especially in a year when the ACC has had a historically awful year. Hubert is making millions of dollars. That’s not too much to ask.
 
Icky Mettle said:
The team he left behind was a pretty talented team that was capable of winning a lot of games (and they did win 18 in a row before they fell apart, but that was on Doherty). While the 2000 recruiting class ended up being a poor one (despite that fact that Morison was , one recruiting class shouldn’t run a program into the ground. Also remember that Jason Parker was supposed to be coming in with that class but did not make it past admissions (which occurred after Gut left).

As for Jason Capel, regardless of what many Tar Heel fans feel about him now, he was a solid college player. He was also a top 10 player in his high school class, and he committed to the Heels while Dean Smith was still head coach. (In other words, he was a Dean Smith recruit and not a coach Gut recruit).
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Capel was solid. He was never going to be an All-American but he was a very solid college player. I think of him as the type of player who could be the fourth or fifth best player on a title team (Jawad Williams).
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Capel was solid. He was never going to be an All-American but he was a very solid college player. I think of him as the type of player who could be the fourth or fifth best player on a title team (Jawad Williams).
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The triple pump fake was something to watch.
 
finesse said:
I do know that, under the current circumstances, that I think he's the best chance of maintaining the sort of Carolina program and tradition that we've had. That matters to me at least as much as our record over the last 3 or 4 years.
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A big part of the Carolina “tradition” is winning a lot of games and consistently being one of the best teams in CBB. We’re currently failing quite hard on that front.

If we’re more focused on keeping our traditions than winning games in the future, then let’s just fire HD and spend his salary on the best curator to turn the Dean Dome into the greatly expanded Carolina Basketball Museum. No need to worry about winning games at all, we can just treasure our tradition!

And throwing Coach Gut, a great assistant and a good HC that led his team to 2 F4s in 3 seasons, under the bus was the coup de grâce for your terrible post. You say you want to honor the traditions of Carolina Basketball but can’t even properly honor one of the men who did the most to build it.
 
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SnoopRob said:
A big part of the Carolina “tradition” is winning a lot of games and consistently being one of the best teams in CBB. We’re currently failing quite hard on that front.

If we’re more focused on keeping our traditions than winning games in the future, then let’s just fire HD and spend his salary on the best curator to turn the Dean Dome into the greatly expanded Carolina Basketball Museum. No need to worry about winning games at all, we can just treasure our tradition!

And throwing Coach Gut, a great assistant and a good HC that led his team to 2 F4s in 3 seasons, under the bus was the coup de grâce force your terrible post. You say you want to honor the traditions of Carolina Basketball but can’t even properly honor one of the men who did the most to build it.
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He was a great assistant and a large part of our success. He was not a good head coach and he was not a good recruiter. Sorry if that offends you.
 
finesse said:
He was a great assistant and a large part of our success. He was not a good head coach and he was not a good recruiter. Sorry if that offends you.
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What “offends” me is that you respect the “traditions” of Carolina Basketball more than either the current program or the folks who built it.
 
finesse said:
Jason was Top 10 in high school because he grew faster and had superior coaching in fundamentals. When other people caught up physically and in experience, he got seriously exposed. So did his attitude.
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That’s not true at all. He was top 10 at the end of his high school career, because at that point in time (by the end of his senior year in high school) he was considered to be among the top 10 players in his class. If he had been “exposed” by then, he would have fallen in the rankings. He was the star player on the no. 1 ranked high school basketball team in the country his senior year (St. John’s at Prospect Hall, which USAToday crowned as the high school basketball national champion that year). He was the leading scorer in the McD’s AA game that year. He was one of a few freshman featured in Sport Illustrated’s preseason college basketball issue as freshmen who were expected make big impacts on their respective teams. And again, he was a Dean Smith recruit, so if you’re placing blame on Gut for recruiting him, it’s misplaced.

And as I said before, he was actually a solid college player. He is one of only two players in UNC basketball history to record a triple-double. He could fill up a stat sheet. He’d get you double-digit points, high rebound numbers, and a decent amount of assists. He was a capable 3-point shooter, shooting 38% from 3 his sophomore year and 42% his junior year. He was a good free throw shooter at 82% for his career. And you mentioned him playing power forward, but that was only his senior year; two years after Gut left. He played small forward during his two years under Gut and his first year under Doherty.
 
finesse said:
I'd definitely concede that point. I actually do much admire everything that Gut did as an assistant. I even understand why Dean orchestrated him becoming head coach.
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That’s fair, although I’d say Gut was a good HC, as well. The issue with recruiting was that everyone knew he was only a temporary HC & the best players weren’t going to come to Carolina under him before the age of either OAD or the portal.
 
finesse said:
If so, so what? Are you a fan of the program or of the ego boost from being affiliated with a successful program? I was a fan of the program those 60 years ago and a fan when Gut ran the program into the ground and one until I die.

I don't know that Davis will work out. I'm not personally that great a fan. I do know that, under the current circumstances, that I think he's the best chance of maintaining the sort of Carolina program and tradition that we've had. That matters to me at least as much as our record over the last 3 or 4 years.
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Why do you think “that, under the current circumstances, that I think he's the best chance of maintaining the sort of Carolina program and tradition that we've had.”
 
SnoopRob said:
That’s fair, although I’d say Gut was a good HC, as well. The issue with recruiting was that everyone knew he was only a temporary HC & the best players weren’t going to come to Carolina under him before the age of either OAD or the portal.
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Do we think Dean left a title on the table by not coaching the ‘98 team?
 
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