dook Biorhythms, Round Two, 6:30 Start in The Dean E. Smith Center (Now With Blood)

UNCatTech said:
Agreed. I'm not sure one wants to "Test" the portal. How many kids entered the portal last year and didn't find a home?

It's not like the draft, where you have a spot waiting. Enter the portal and your spot might be filled before you have a chance to get the scores from that test.
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You don’t have to enter the portal to “test it”.
 
Bigs23 said:
You have your agent or people make some calls.

It’s the wild, wild, west. Everyone and everything is fair game.
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As I wrote above, that is not "testing" the portal. Agents are making calls all year long. That has nothing to do with the portal season.
 
Calheel said:
As I wrote above, that is not "testing" the portal. Agents are making calls all year long. That has nothing to do with the portal season.
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Well it kinda does because that’s when the moves are made.

You seem to be hung up on the terminology. I think you know what I’m getting at.
 
Bigs23 said:
Well it kinda does because that’s when the moves are made.

You seem to be hung up on the terminology. I think you know what I’m getting at.
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Maybe it is your terminology. I honestly don't know what you meant because all the kids have agents and the agents -- if they are doing their job -- are gauging fair market value for their clients all the time.

So I don't know what you meant when you wrote that that everyone would "test the portal" this year. To me, that sounds like what Seth Tremble did last year, and obviously not everyone is going to do that.

If you just mean that people are going to want to know their FMV and demand a NIL deal commensurate with their FMV, that has been happening for several years now.
 
Calheel said:
Maybe it is your terminology. I honestly don't know what you meant because all the kids have agents and the agents -- if they are doing their job -- are gauging fair market value for their clients.

So I don't know what you meant when you wrote that that everyone would "test the portal" this year. To me, that sounds like what Seth Tremble did last year, and obviously not everyone is going to do that.

If you just mean that people are going to want to know their FMV and demand a NIL deal commensurate with their FMV, that has been happening for several years now.
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I’ve explained a couple of times, but yeah, just about everyone is going to test their own market. Not by entering the portal but by evaluating their options prior to committing to staying or going.
 
UNCatTech said:
Why?

Kid needs to keep practicing that three and study game film to understand how to eliminate those turnovers.

Don't see a transfer really helping those things.
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Just a feeling. His usage is weird (mostly his own fault - TOs, poor defender, can’t/won’t shoot etc.), his body language. He has moments where he seems excited but a lot of the time he looks miserable to me.
 
Geisterfahrer said:
Just a feeling. His usage is weird (mostly his own fault - TOs, poor defender, can’t/won’t shoot etc.), his body language. He has moments where he seems excited but a lot of the time he looks miserable to me.
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I agree with this. And while I don't follow his mom, according to some on IC, she's kind of loud and wacky on social media and has said things about the team. I wonder if she'll be in his ear.
 
Calheel said:
Agents are making calls all year long.
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I seriously doubt that. For pros, maybe. But right now, agents have to be stretched thin. A huge influx of new clients with the NCAA suddenly opening up, and I doubt the market can just double the capacity of agents on a dime.

And how much are agents realistically going to do? These aren't $5M a year contracts for the most part. They are generally speaking $100K, $200K contracts. Agents take 5, 6%, right? How many calls is the agent going to make for $5K?

And who can the agent call? Coaches? ADs? Assistant coaches? None of these people have time to be fielding 20 phone calls from agents everyday. And what info is an agent going to get in October from a coach when they don't know what their needs are going to be, because they don't know how their season is going to turn out? That's even assuming the coach knows who the players are. In pro sports leagues, everyone plays each other so everyone knows the others' rosters. What the fuck does HD know about Nebraska's roster? Or Izzo about Ga Tech's roster?

I feel as though you are taking a pro sports model and applying it to the NCAA, but I very much doubt it fits. Maybe in a few years. But right now, even for schools with GMs, how many people are working in the GMs' offices? Pro sports teams have office staffs of 100 or more. They have more capacity for that. And the pool of players is much smaller.
 
superrific said:
I seriously doubt that. For pros, maybe. But right now, agents have to be stretched thin. A huge influx of new clients with the NCAA suddenly opening up, and I doubt the market can just double the capacity of agents on a dime.

And how much are agents realistically going to do? These aren't $5M a year contracts for the most part. They are generally speaking $100K, $200K contracts. Agents take 5, 6%, right? How many calls is the agent going to make for $5K?

And who can the agent call? Coaches? ADs? Assistant coaches? None of these people have time to be fielding 20 phone calls from agents everyday. And what info is an agent going to get in October from a coach when they don't know what their needs are going to be, because they don't know how their season is going to turn out? That's even assuming the coach knows who the players are. In pro sports leagues, everyone plays each other so everyone knows the others' rosters. What the fuck does HD know about Nebraska's roster? Or Izzo about Ga Tech's roster?

I feel as though you are taking a pro sports model and applying it to the NCAA, but I very much doubt it fits. Maybe in a few years. But right now, even for schools with GMs, how many people are working in the GMs' offices? Pro sports teams have office staffs of 100 or more. They have more capacity for that. And the pool of players is much smaller.
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I think you're mostly right but still underestimating the amount of time they're speaking with coaches. Hubert is on record that he doesn't speak with high school coaches, and he doesn't speak with parents. He speaks with agents exclusively regarding players. So all of his recruiting phone time is with agents, and that of course would include portal recruiting. I don't know if there are any restrictions on speaking with player reps for other NCAA teams outside the actual portal window.
 
superrific said:
I seriously doubt that. For pros, maybe. But right now, agents have to be stretched thin. A huge influx of new clients with the NCAA suddenly opening up, and I doubt the market can just double the capacity of agents on a dime.

And how much are agents realistically going to do? These aren't $5M a year contracts for the most part. They are generally speaking $100K, $200K contracts. Agents take 5, 6%, right? How many calls is the agent going to make for $5K?

And who can the agent call? Coaches? ADs? Assistant coaches? None of these people have time to be fielding 20 phone calls from agents everyday. And what info is an agent going to get in October from a coach when they don't know what their needs are going to be, because they don't know how their season is going to turn out? That's even assuming the coach knows who the players are. In pro sports leagues, everyone plays each other so everyone knows the others' rosters. What the fuck does HD know about Nebraska's roster? Or Izzo about Ga Tech's roster?

I feel as though you are taking a pro sports model and applying it to the NCAA, but I very much doubt it fits. Maybe in a few years. But right now, even for schools with GMs, how many people are working in the GMs' offices? Pro sports teams have office staffs of 100 or more. They have more capacity for that. And the pool of players is much smaller.
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Coaches have stated that portal recruiting is now a year-round job.

Players and their agents have stated that they start hearing of interest for the next year in December, especially if the player starts the season playing well and now appears to be ready to move up (by team, conference, and/or NIL deal).

I’d bet that agents of players looking to move up/cash in are communicating in some way weekly with schools they know could be a good landing spot for their client(s). (For instance, everyone in CBB knew that Bacot’s was gone this year and we’d need a starting big.)

Also, a lot of player agents in CBB aren’t at major firms, they’re guys who are either close to a particular player or trying to use CBB players to move up in the agent world. In either case, I’m guessing most are willing to put some time in to assist their client and/or build their reputation.
 
superrific said:
I seriously doubt that. For pros, maybe. But right now, agents have to be stretched thin. A huge influx of new clients with the NCAA suddenly opening up, and I doubt the market can just double the capacity of agents on a dime.

And how much are agents realistically going to do? These aren't $5M a year contracts for the most part. They are generally speaking $100K, $200K contracts. Agents take 5, 6%, right? How many calls is the agent going to make for $5K?

And who can the agent call? Coaches? ADs? Assistant coaches? None of these people have time to be fielding 20 phone calls from agents everyday. And what info is an agent going to get in October from a coach when they don't know what their needs are going to be, because they don't know how their season is going to turn out? That's even assuming the coach knows who the players are. In pro sports leagues, everyone plays each other so everyone knows the others' rosters. What the fuck does HD know about Nebraska's roster? Or Izzo about Ga Tech's roster?

I feel as though you are taking a pro sports model and applying it to the NCAA, but I very much doubt it fits. Maybe in a few years. But right now, even for schools with GMs, how many people are working in the GMs' offices? Pro sports teams have office staffs of 100 or more. They have more capacity for that. And the pool of players is much smaller.
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You’d be surprised.
 
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