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superrific said:
Right. But how do you take NBC out of the brand name of MSNBC, without pulverizing the property you're trying to sell? You can't go with MS (that's microsoft; people don't remember that MSNBC was originally a partnership between NBC and MS).

It would be as if the state legislature passed a law requiring all sports teams in the state to have one word nicknames. We could be the UNC Tars, but come on. that would be terrible.
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Agree that a lot of value is in the names but businesses often agree to rebranding efforts after a spin-off. But who knows. I think it will be easier for CNBC to rebrand than MSNBC b/c the former is already a lot more independent from the NBC mothership.
 


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  • President-elect Trump's appointees Musk and Ramaswamy aim to mandate full-time office work for federal employees, predicting mass resignations.
  • Federal worker unions are preparing to resist efforts to eliminate remote work, arguing it would harm recruitment and disaster preparedness.
  • The proposed mandate faces challenges as over half of federal workers already work in-person and many agencies offer hybrid or remote options.
...Of the 2.3 million civilian federal workers—nearly 30% of whom are veterans—more than half already work in-person because of the nature of their jobs, such as food-safety inspectors and healthcare workers, according to a 2024 Office of Management and Budget report. The rest, who are eligible to work remotely some of the time, perform an average 61% of their hours in the workplace. In U.S. Census Bureau surveys, federal and private-sector employees work roughly the same amount of time in person versus remotely.

... “We’ll want to be reasonable, as compassionate as we can, at the level of individuals,” he said. “But at the level of permanently downsizing the scope of the bureaucracy, that is obviously going to have some consequences.”

Ramaswamy predicted in a post on X that up to 25% of civil servants would leave in the event of a full-time office mandate. ...

Though some companies, including Amazon and Dell, have recently ordered staff back to offices full time, most U.S. companies offer some flexibility on where employees work, according to data from Flex Index, which tracks the policies of more than 6,300 companies.

One exception is Musk’s business empire. He scrapped remote work at Tesla, SpaceX and X postpandemic, calling it “morally wrong.” ..."

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The Mayor of D.C. has been pushing this for the health of the District's supporting businesses, BTW, so an end to remote work will have support across the aisle.

A lot of private sector employers who want to end workplace flexibility will be watching this closely as an opportunity to eliminate private sector remote work options.
 
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nycfan said:


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  • President-elect Trump's appointees Musk and Ramaswamy aim to mandate full-time office work for federal employees, predicting mass resignations.
  • Federal worker unions are preparing to resist efforts to eliminate remote work, arguing it would harm recruitment and disaster preparedness.
  • The proposed mandate faces challenges as over half of federal workers already work in-person and many agencies offer hybrid or remote options.
...Of the 2.3 million civilian federal workers—nearly 30% of whom are veterans—more than half already work in-person because of the nature of their jobs, such as food-safety inspectors and healthcare workers, according to a 2024 Office of Management and Budget report. The rest, who are eligible to work remotely some of the time, perform an average 61% of their hours in the workplace. In U.S. Census Bureau surveys, federal and private-sector employees work roughly the same amount of time in person versus remotely.

... “We’ll want to be reasonable, as compassionate as we can, at the level of individuals,” he said. “But at the level of permanently downsizing the scope of the bureaucracy, that is obviously going to have some consequences.”

Ramaswamy predicted in a post on X that up to 25% of civil servants would leave in the event of a full-time office mandate. ...

Though some companies, including Amazon and Dell, have recently ordered staff back to offices full time, most U.S. companies offer some flexibility on where employees work, according to data from Flex Index, which tracks the policies of more than 6,300 companies.

One exception is Musk’s business empire. He scrapped remote work at Tesla, SpaceX and X postpandemic, calling it “morally wrong.” ..."

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A lot of private sector employers who want to end workplace flexibility will be watching this closely as an opportunity to eliminate private sector remote work options.
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I have a hunch that a "leopard eating faces" thread is going to be very busy here very soon. Next year is going to be an absolute shitshow and disaster, with chaos in the federal government as these clowns get rolling as soon as Dear Leader takes office.
 
nycfan said:


"
  • President-elect Trump's appointees Musk and Ramaswamy aim to mandate full-time office work for federal employees, predicting mass resignations.
  • Federal worker unions are preparing to resist efforts to eliminate remote work, arguing it would harm recruitment and disaster preparedness.
  • The proposed mandate faces challenges as over half of federal workers already work in-person and many agencies offer hybrid or remote options.
...Of the 2.3 million civilian federal workers—nearly 30% of whom are veterans—more than half already work in-person because of the nature of their jobs, such as food-safety inspectors and healthcare workers, according to a 2024 Office of Management and Budget report. The rest, who are eligible to work remotely some of the time, perform an average 61% of their hours in the workplace. In U.S. Census Bureau surveys, federal and private-sector employees work roughly the same amount of time in person versus remotely.

... “We’ll want to be reasonable, as compassionate as we can, at the level of individuals,” he said. “But at the level of permanently downsizing the scope of the bureaucracy, that is obviously going to have some consequences.”

Ramaswamy predicted in a post on X that up to 25% of civil servants would leave in the event of a full-time office mandate. ...

Though some companies, including Amazon and Dell, have recently ordered staff back to offices full time, most U.S. companies offer some flexibility on where employees work, according to data from Flex Index, which tracks the policies of more than 6,300 companies.

One exception is Musk’s business empire. He scrapped remote work at Tesla, SpaceX and X postpandemic, calling it “morally wrong.” ..."

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The Mayor of D.C. has been pushing this for the health of the District's supporting businesses, BTW, so an end to remote work will have support across the aisle.

A lot of private sector employers who want to end workplace flexibility will be watching this closely as an opportunity to eliminate private sector remote work options.
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Musk called remote work "morally wrong"? WTF?

Vivek has never built a fucking business or anything in his life. So it's really fucking maddening to see this guy -- who is basically a computer game villain -- touting the all-time stupidest policies. Hey Vivek, do you think the 25% headcount reduction is going to be dead weight employees, or the best ones, you know, the ones who can get other jobs?

I read a book a while back called "Snakes in Suits" about psychopathic people in the workforce, especially in managerial tiers. Vivek checks every box.
 
nycfan said:


"
  • President-elect Trump's appointees Musk and Ramaswamy aim to mandate full-time office work for federal employees, predicting mass resignations.
  • Federal worker unions are preparing to resist efforts to eliminate remote work, arguing it would harm recruitment and disaster preparedness.
  • The proposed mandate faces challenges as over half of federal workers already work in-person and many agencies offer hybrid or remote options.
...Of the 2.3 million civilian federal workers—nearly 30% of whom are veterans—more than half already work in-person because of the nature of their jobs, such as food-safety inspectors and healthcare workers, according to a 2024 Office of Management and Budget report. The rest, who are eligible to work remotely some of the time, perform an average 61% of their hours in the workplace. In U.S. Census Bureau surveys, federal and private-sector employees work roughly the same amount of time in person versus remotely.

... “We’ll want to be reasonable, as compassionate as we can, at the level of individuals,” he said. “But at the level of permanently downsizing the scope of the bureaucracy, that is obviously going to have some consequences.”

Ramaswamy predicted in a post on X that up to 25% of civil servants would leave in the event of a full-time office mandate. ...

Though some companies, including Amazon and Dell, have recently ordered staff back to offices full time, most U.S. companies offer some flexibility on where employees work, according to data from Flex Index, which tracks the policies of more than 6,300 companies.

One exception is Musk’s business empire. He scrapped remote work at Tesla, SpaceX and X postpandemic, calling it “morally wrong.” ..."

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The Mayor of D.C. has been pushing this for the health of the District's supporting businesses, BTW, so an end to remote work will have support across the aisle.

A lot of private sector employers who want to end workplace flexibility will be watching this closely as an opportunity to eliminate private sector remote work options.
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I think an estimate of 25% leaving if return to work is implemented sounds very high. I don't think there are enough private sector jobs to absorb all those people leaving and I can't imagine that many workers will have the option to go without a paycheck.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think an estimate of 25% leaving if return to work is implemented sounds very high. I don't think there are enough private sector jobs to absorb all those people leaving and I can't imagine that many workers will have the option to go without a paycheck.
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It's actually more that they can get a pension so going to the private workforce really can be a penalty
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think an estimate of 25% leaving if return to work is implemented sounds very high. I don't think there are enough private sector jobs to absorb all those people leaving and I can't imagine that many workers will have the option to go without a paycheck.
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It depends on what is meant by return to work, and how many people are capable of that. If "return to work" means an office in the Department of Labor building, and someone is sitting in Pennsylvania interfacing with a local DOL branch office, I anticipate:

1. The person will not move to DC.
2. If the local DOL branch office is considered "returning to the office," it could work in theory for that person (though the commute would be long).
3. If the person is expected to spend every day in the DOL main building in DC, that person will quit.

It's almost as if it's actually a bad idea to disrupt longstanding employment practices of country's largest employer -- an employer orders of magnitude bigger than any company Elon or Vivek has managed -- on a whim.

And will they find another job in the private sector? They might not. Unemployment will go up. If Trump and Elon are able to do what they keep saying they will do, the result will be stagflation and probably the worst economy we've seen in our lifetimes.
 
superrific said:
It depends on what is meant by return to work, and how many people are capable of that. If "return to work" means an office in the Department of Labor building, and someone is sitting in Pennsylvania interfacing with a local DOL branch office, I anticipate:

1. The person will not move to DC.
2. If the local DOL branch office is considered "returning to the office," it could work in theory for that person (though the commute would be long).
3. If the person is expected to spend every day in the DOL main building in DC, that person will quit.

It's almost as if it's actually a bad idea to disrupt longstanding employment practices of country's largest employer -- an employer orders of magnitude bigger than any company Elon or Vivek has managed -- on a whim.

And will they find another job in the private sector? They might not. Unemployment will go up. If Trump and Elon are able to do what they keep saying they will do, the result will be stagflation and probably the worst economy we've seen in our lifetimes.
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Unemployment, inflation, and GDP shrinking. Just what maga voted for.
 
BillOfRights said:
Unemployment, inflation, and GDP shrinking. Just what maga voted for.
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Not to mention gutting the social safety net so that as the economy slides into a deep recession (or worse) those who get laid off will no longer have that safety net available to them. Good times! But I'm sure that as long as Republicans very visibly punish the "right" people they'll stay on board knowing that others are suffering at least as much as they are. MAGA isn't really about making America great again, it's about making sure that everyone stays as miserable and unhappy as they apparently are.
 
nycfan said:
May not be a joke. Value is between $500 million and $1 billion. As long as he is setting money on fire for kicks, why not? There are conservatives begging a billionaire or two to buy it to shut it down (and others suggesting they do the same to BSKY because meanie libs are abandoning Xitter for a place that has moderation standards).

I am not an MSNBC fan or viewer and still want to see BSKY to be less of an echo chamber, but find it pretty concerning that there are a lot of self-proclaimed free speech conservatives who are promoting acquiring and shutting down more liberal spaces.
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Elonia Musk needs to go! Lost in space would be fine.
 
gizmodo.com

Why Won't Elon Musk Let Me Follow This Palestinian Journalist?

Musk admitted X is throttling links but this is a new level of weird.
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Elon Musk, the billionaire propagandist for Donald Trump and owner of X, admitted over the weekend that his social media platform restricts the spread of tweets that share links. But X users are starting to wonder how much more manipulation has been happening behind the scenes in recent weeks. Because one Palestinian journalist in particular appears to be experiencing a major issue with his account. Nobody can follow him for some unknown reason and it looks like many people who were already following him have been purged as followers.


Younis Tirawi has been covering the current war in Gaza ever since it started in late 2023, sending updates about the brutality that’s killed over 44,000 Palestinians and wounded at least 104,000. Tirawi has covered the war crimes being committed by the Israeli military in the occupied territories, which has obviously made him a target for hate among some in the Israeli media.

But something weird happened to Tirawi’s X account over the weekend. It appears his followers have largely been purged and anyone who tries to follow him won’t actually see his updates in their feed. Gizmodo tried multiple times to follow Tirawi’s account and after refreshing the page it was clear we weren’t able to make it stick. No matter what we did, it would always go back to showing we weren’t following him.
 
altmin said:
gizmodo.com

Why Won't Elon Musk Let Me Follow This Palestinian Journalist?

Musk admitted X is throttling links but this is a new level of weird.
gizmodo.com gizmodo.com

Elon Musk, the billionaire propagandist for Donald Trump and owner of X, admitted over the weekend that his social media platform restricts the spread of tweets that share links. But X users are starting to wonder how much more manipulation has been happening behind the scenes in recent weeks. Because one Palestinian journalist in particular appears to be experiencing a major issue with his account. Nobody can follow him for some unknown reason and it looks like many people who were already following him have been purged as followers.


Younis Tirawi has been covering the current war in Gaza ever since it started in late 2023, sending updates about the brutality that’s killed over 44,000 Palestinians and wounded at least 104,000. Tirawi has covered the war crimes being committed by the Israeli military in the occupied territories, which has obviously made him a target for hate among some in the Israeli media.

But something weird happened to Tirawi’s X account over the weekend. It appears his followers have largely been purged and anyone who tries to follow him won’t actually see his updates in their feed. Gizmodo tried multiple times to follow Tirawi’s account and after refreshing the page it was clear we weren’t able to make it stick. No matter what we did, it would always go back to showing we weren’t following him.
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I think it's at least as likely that Musk cutting 4/5 of his workforce and requiring the people that stayed to work 80-hour weeks is to blame for this incident versus Musk taking an interest in some random Palestinian journalist.

Whether it's nefarious or incompetent, preventing people from following the people they want to follow will simply speed users away from his platform.
 
I think there needs to be a corollary to the general rule of thumb not to attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Sufficiently advanced stupidity as indistinguishable from malice.
 
I think it is interesting reading all the doom and gloom by people who have never, or have limited experience working in the private sector, or have been employed in jobs where policy is driven by theory. A 25% reduction in the fed workforce is certainly very doable. Change is never easy but this should be very doable and DOGE is something everyone should embrace on the whole. This is long, long overdue.
 
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