Epstein Files | Ghislaine Maxwell

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8992Tiger said:
Per my rant a few pages ago... "Hey, he hung out with a pedo / sex trafficker, talked about grabbing women by the pu--y, made remarks about how sexy his daughter was, bragged about walking in on teens dressing at a beauty pageant, cheated on his third wife with a porn star, made countless adolescent comments about women on the Howard Stern show. But there is no concrete evidence that he actually had sex with an underage girl, so he's cool, and besides, my stock portfolio is up!" Damn, man, those are some low standards.
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Exactly, why support someone that's so questionable to begin with.

Then start adding in the other deplorable things he's done and he's just not qualified.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
E. Jean Carroll, a journalist, has alleged that Mr Trump sexually assaulted her in a dressing room at a Bergdorf Goodman store in New York in the 1990s.

Alva Johnson, a former Trump campaign staffer, said she had to avoid a kiss from Mr Trump while on a trip to Florida in August of 2016. The White House has denied this most recent accusation, as have some members of the Trump team who say they were present

Jessica Leeds, a former traveling salesperson, alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt while on a first-class flight in the 1980s. Ms Leeds was in her late 30s at the time.

Ivana Trump, Mr Trump’s first wife, once used the word “rape” to describe an encounter with him. The accusation was made in a 1993 book following a divorce settlement between the two. She has since softened her language, saying that she didn’t mean the word in a “literal or criminal sense”.

Jill Harth, a former business partner of Mr Trump’s, said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips, groped her breasts, and grabbed her genitals in what she described in a 1997 as an “attempted rape”. The encounter allegedly occurred at Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, in one of his children’s bedroom. She also says that Mr Trump groped her under the table at a dinner with colleagues at the Plaza Hotel.

Kristen Anderson alleged that Mr Trump put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals over her underwear at the China Club in Manhattan at some point in the early 1990s when she was in her early 20s. Ms Anderson was an aspiring model at the time.

Lisa Boyne accused Mr Trump of insisting that female models walk across a table at a New York restaurant in 1996, and then remarking on their underwear and genitalia. She was 25 at the time.

Cathy Heller says that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips during a Mother’s Day brunch at mar-a-Lago in 1997.

Temple Taggart, a former Miss Utah, alleged that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the mouth on two different occasions. The first incident was the first time that they met. The incidents occurred at the 1997 Miss USA pageant event, and in Trump Tower.

Mariah Billado, a former Miss Vermont Teen USA, has alleged that says that Mr Trump walked into a dressing room unannounced in 1997. She said that there were several teen beauty queens aged between 15 and 19 in the room naked at the time.

Karena Virginia alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her arm and touched her breast while she was waiting for a car after the US Open.

Bridget Sullivan, a former Miss New Hampshire, alleged that Mr Trump walked into the Miss USA pageant dressing room in 2000 while contestants were naked. She was 19 at the time.

Tasha Dixon, a former Miss Arizona, alleged that Mr Trump entered dressing rooms at the Miss USA pageant in 2001 while contestants were “half-naked”.

Melinda Macgillivray alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttock in a pavilion behind the main house of his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2003. They were in the middle of a group of people, she said, and it was during a concert performed by Ray Charles.

Jennifer Murphy said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her after a job interview in 2005. She was 26 at the time.

Rachel Cooks alleged that Mr Trump kissed her forcibly on the lips outside the elevator in Trump Tower in 2005. She was 22 at the time.

Natasha Stoynoff alleged that Mr Trump pushed her against a wall and forcibly kissed her in a closed-door room in his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2005. Ms Stoynoff, a writer for PEOPLE magazine, was there to interview Mr Trump.

Ninni Laaksonen alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks while taking photos outside the Ed Sullivan Theater, and before Mr Trump appeared on the Late Show with David Letterman. Ms Laaksonen was 20 at the time, in 2006.

Jessica Drake alleged that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her and two female friends in 2006, when she was 32. When she pushed him away, she said that he asked her: “How much?”

Samantha Holvey, a former Miss North Carolina, alleged that Mr Trump treated women like “meat” and would barge into dressing rooms to inspect women. She said the incidents occurred in 2006, when she was 20.

Summer Zervos alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her by her shoulders and forcibly kissed her, and groped her breasts, while she was a contestant on The Apprentice in 2007. She said the incidents took place at Trump Tower in New York, and at a hotel in Los Angeles.

Cassandra Searles, a former Miss Washington, said that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks repeatedly in 2013 during the Miss USA pageant in 2013. She said that he also invited her to his hotel room.

Karen Johnson, who said Mr Trump pulled her into a tapestry by her crotch at a New Year's Eve party in the early 2000s.

Amy Dorris, a former model who claims Mr Trump assaulted her at the 1997 US Open tennis tournament. She alleges that he forcibly kissed her and groped her in the bathroom in his VIP box. Her account has been corroborated by several people she told about the incident at the time.
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But, but, but...

The stock market is up. Winning...
 
Oddball said:
I do not disagree that there is a high likelihood he did. But I do not think it will be shown here and do not think that was his "regular".

I think his "regular" was almost as bad, certainly as demented by his narcissistic/meglomaniacal traits, but as I stated before, I think he had his own supply for the most part
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Just a handful of times
 
Bigs23 said:
There probably aren’t pictures of him doing it. Short of that would kind of evidence could prove it?
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There were plenty of guys who went to Epstein Island, and Trump is not one.

Howard Lutnick of all people basically admitted Epstein DID have photographic evidence of many of the rich and powerful, so yeah, there will be a good number of people with no possible explanation/excuse.
 
Oddball said:
No -- saying the Epstein files will not show enough to prove he did, so do not want to set the bar that high.
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Whether or not the entire bulk of “files will show enough to prove” he committed crimes, it seems clear that the info contained in the files is severely injurious to Trump. Otherwise he wouldn’t expend so much effort to prevent their release.
 
EyeballKid said:
Whether or not the entire bulk of “files will show enough to prove” he committed crimes, it seems clear that the info contained in the files is severely injurious to Trump. Otherwise he wouldn’t expend so much effort to prevent their release.
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100% agree.

And I truly hope there is a serious political price he pays.

Guess I am just saying this will be the "excuse" of fox news et al, and do not want to feed that.

All of this should be, and would be disastrous for any other politician ever, but... well, yeah, been there
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
E. Jean Carroll, a journalist, has alleged that Mr Trump sexually assaulted her in a dressing room at a Bergdorf Goodman store in New York in the 1990s.

Alva Johnson, a former Trump campaign staffer, said she had to avoid a kiss from Mr Trump while on a trip to Florida in August of 2016. The White House has denied this most recent accusation, as have some members of the Trump team who say they were present

Jessica Leeds, a former traveling salesperson, alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt while on a first-class flight in the 1980s. Ms Leeds was in her late 30s at the time.

Ivana Trump, Mr Trump’s first wife, once used the word “rape” to describe an encounter with him. The accusation was made in a 1993 book following a divorce settlement between the two. She has since softened her language, saying that she didn’t mean the word in a “literal or criminal sense”.

Jill Harth, a former business partner of Mr Trump’s, said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips, groped her breasts, and grabbed her genitals in what she described in a 1997 as an “attempted rape”. The encounter allegedly occurred at Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, in one of his children’s bedroom. She also says that Mr Trump groped her under the table at a dinner with colleagues at the Plaza Hotel.

Kristen Anderson alleged that Mr Trump put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals over her underwear at the China Club in Manhattan at some point in the early 1990s when she was in her early 20s. Ms Anderson was an aspiring model at the time.

Lisa Boyne accused Mr Trump of insisting that female models walk across a table at a New York restaurant in 1996, and then remarking on their underwear and genitalia. She was 25 at the time.

Cathy Heller says that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips during a Mother’s Day brunch at mar-a-Lago in 1997.

Temple Taggart, a former Miss Utah, alleged that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the mouth on two different occasions. The first incident was the first time that they met. The incidents occurred at the 1997 Miss USA pageant event, and in Trump Tower.

Mariah Billado, a former Miss Vermont Teen USA, has alleged that says that Mr Trump walked into a dressing room unannounced in 1997. She said that there were several teen beauty queens aged between 15 and 19 in the room naked at the time.

Karena Virginia alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her arm and touched her breast while she was waiting for a car after the US Open.

Bridget Sullivan, a former Miss New Hampshire, alleged that Mr Trump walked into the Miss USA pageant dressing room in 2000 while contestants were naked. She was 19 at the time.

Tasha Dixon, a former Miss Arizona, alleged that Mr Trump entered dressing rooms at the Miss USA pageant in 2001 while contestants were “half-naked”.

Melinda Macgillivray alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttock in a pavilion behind the main house of his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2003. They were in the middle of a group of people, she said, and it was during a concert performed by Ray Charles.

Jennifer Murphy said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her after a job interview in 2005. She was 26 at the time.

Rachel Cooks alleged that Mr Trump kissed her forcibly on the lips outside the elevator in Trump Tower in 2005. She was 22 at the time.

Natasha Stoynoff alleged that Mr Trump pushed her against a wall and forcibly kissed her in a closed-door room in his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2005. Ms Stoynoff, a writer for PEOPLE magazine, was there to interview Mr Trump.

Ninni Laaksonen alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks while taking photos outside the Ed Sullivan Theater, and before Mr Trump appeared on the Late Show with David Letterman. Ms Laaksonen was 20 at the time, in 2006.

Jessica Drake alleged that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her and two female friends in 2006, when she was 32. When she pushed him away, she said that he asked her: “How much?”

Samantha Holvey, a former Miss North Carolina, alleged that Mr Trump treated women like “meat” and would barge into dressing rooms to inspect women. She said the incidents occurred in 2006, when she was 20.

Summer Zervos alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her by her shoulders and forcibly kissed her, and groped her breasts, while she was a contestant on The Apprentice in 2007. She said the incidents took place at Trump Tower in New York, and at a hotel in Los Angeles.

Cassandra Searles, a former Miss Washington, said that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks repeatedly in 2013 during the Miss USA pageant in 2013. She said that he also invited her to his hotel room.

Karen Johnson, who said Mr Trump pulled her into a tapestry by her crotch at a New Year's Eve party in the early 2000s.

Amy Dorris, a former model who claims Mr Trump assaulted her at the 1997 US Open tennis tournament. She alleges that he forcibly kissed her and groped her in the bathroom in his VIP box. Her account has been corroborated by several people she told about the incident at the time.
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Well….at least according to those allegations none of the alleged victims was younger than 18-20 years-old. That’s only sexual assault and not pedophilia.

Whew! All is good!
 
Oddball said:
There were plenty of guys who went to Epstein Island, and Trump is not one.

Howard Lutnick of all people basically admitted Epstein DID have photographic evidence of many of the rich and powerful, so yeah, there will be a good number of people with no possible explanation/excuse.
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You seem to be giving a lot of grace to trump here. So, he wasn’t the worst offender…not sure the degree matters that much in terms to the bar we should have for a POTUS.
 
Bigs23 said:
You seem to be giving a lot of grace to trump here. So, he wasn’t the worst offender…not sure the degree matters that much in terms to the bar we should have for a POTUS.
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That is not my intention, rather the opposite.

Very much hope this is what breaks his spell on the country. That, to me, is all that matters. The cult must be broken and congress needs again to act as a separate branch of government. Praying that is what happens
 
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