Epstein Files | Ghislaine Maxwell

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heelinhell said:
This reminds me of a scene from "All The President's Men "

Bernstein is ready to go with a story. Woodruff wants concrete proof not just the evidence they have...

Bernstein counters : I wake up in the morning walk out of my house and see pools of water in the street and water on my my plants and shrubs. I don't know for a fact that it rained last night but it is a reasonable inference to say it rained last night

This is my recollection of the scene, not a transcript

That's where I am with this. I do not know for a fact that Trump had sex with teenage girls, but based upon the evidence we have, it is not an unreasonable inference to draw.
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I'll repeat what I said to callatoroy several days ago. Are the odds plus or minus 50% that Trump, while an adult, has had sex with underage girls?

The fact one has to think for more than a second about that question says it all.

If there is a 0.00001% chance any person would have to answer "yes" to that question, he or she should be categorically disqualified from serving in any position of public responsibility. That MAGA has to think about whether it's plus or minus 50% is so far beyond the realm of anything resembling conventional morality that you just have to put them in a different deplorable category.
 
ZenMode said:
My daughter was in competitive dance for several years, which meant that we traveled a couple times a year to competitions.

My wife, as most moms did, handled 99% of everything related to dance. I just showed up and clapped.

On the road, the dancers from our team, of which there were over 100, generally waited together in a room until it was their turn to perform. That waiting room was NOT the changing room where they changed costumes between dances, so it wasn't uncommon for parents to be in that room.

Apparently that room arrangement was not always the case. Sometimes the room was for changing AND waiting. This was something I didn't know.

So, there was one local event that my wife couldn't attend. She dropped our daughter off with her hair and make-up done, costumes in hand and left. Apparently she forgot some part of one of her costumes, so she frantically called me to stop by our house to get that missing item and bring it to her before the competition started.

I get the missing item, walk onto the campus and, after wandering around for a few minutes, trying to find where our team was, I ask someone who pointed me in the right direction. I find the room, open the door and just stroll in like I belong there. For reasons that should be obvious, I yell "Oh God!!", spun around, eyes covered, ran into the door jamb and felt my back outside.
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Right. Any of us dads of girls can relate to this. And it's what makes the Trump comments so unbelievably incomprehensible.
 
ZenMode said:
My daughter was in competitive dance for several years, which meant that we traveled a couple times a year to competitions.

My wife, as most moms did, handled 99% of everything related to dance. I just showed up and clapped.

On the road, the dancers from our team, of which there were over 100, generally waited together in a room until it was their turn to perform. That waiting room was NOT the changing room where they changed costumes between dances, so it wasn't uncommon for parents to be in that room.

Apparently that room arrangement was not always the case. Sometimes the room was for changing AND waiting. This was something I didn't know.

So, there was one local event that my wife couldn't attend. She dropped our daughter off with her hair and make-up done, costumes in hand and left. Apparently she forgot some part of one of her costumes, so she frantically called me to stop by our house to get that missing item and bring it to her before the competition started.

I get the missing item, walk onto the campus and, after wandering around for a few minutes, trying to find where our team was, I ask someone who pointed me in the right direction. I find the room, open the door and just stroll in like I belong there. For reasons that should be obvious, I yell "Oh God!!", spun around, eyes covered, ran into the door jamb and felt my back outside.
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Respectfully, what is your point?
 
ZenMode said:
My daughter was in competitive dance for several years, which meant that we traveled a couple times a year to competitions.

My wife, as most moms did, handled 99% of everything related to dance. I just showed up and clapped.

On the road, the dancers from our team, of which there were over 100, generally waited together in a room until it was their turn to perform. That waiting room was NOT the changing room where they changed costumes between dances, so it wasn't uncommon for parents to be in that room.

Apparently that room arrangement was not always the case. Sometimes the room was for changing AND waiting. This was something I didn't know.

So, there was one local event that my wife couldn't attend. She dropped our daughter off with her hair and make-up done, costumes in hand and left. Apparently she forgot some part of one of her costumes, so she frantically called me to stop by our house to get that missing item and bring it to her before the competition started.

I get the missing item, walk onto the campus and, after wandering around for a few minutes, trying to find where our team was, I ask someone who pointed me in the right direction. I find the room, open the door and just stroll in like I belong there. For reasons that should be obvious, I yell "Oh God!!", spun around, eyes covered, ran into the door jamb and felt my back outside.
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I have no problem imagining this is true. I also have no problem imagining that you'd take a much less charitable view of an older man doing what you did except not having a daughter in the competition and repeating the action many times over the course of many years.
 
Pretty soon the only Epstein the Republicans will remember is the guy from Welcome Back, Kotter.
 
ChileG said:
Respectfully, what is your point?
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My takeaway from Zen's post is he can surmise that Trump had the opportunity and strolled into the teen dressing home but did not spin around, cover eyes, and run out the door ?
 
ZenMode said:
Just an embarrassing anecdote along the lines of Trump's walking in on girls.
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Gotcha.
I think then you understand you did it by accident (and were embarrassed by it) while Trump did it on purpose (more than once) and bragged about it.
I was wondering if you were trying to make the case that Trump just made an innocent mistake.
 
ZenMode said:
As I mentioned before, the most powerful investigative body in the world could not establish that he colluded/conspired with the Russian government.
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I'm not getting into this shit show any further and certainly it can be discussed on a separate thread if you'd like, but the FBI is nowhere near the most powerful investigative body in the world. That's because there are all sort of legal limitations on its power -- not only by statute but also by the constitution. The Stasi and KGB and whatever China's intelligence services are called do not need warrants. There are not limits on their jurisdiction. There are no protections against self-incrimination. So on and so forth.
 
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