Epstein Files | Ghislaine Maxwell

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While the intent behind Megan Kelly’s statement is apparently dubious, her assertion is it not incorrect. Pedophilia, by its psychiatric definition, is the sexual interest in prepubescent children. Sexual attraction to post-pubescent girls (those in the 15-17 age range) is not deemed pedophilia and is in fact considered psychiatrically normal. Not that that makes it okay for adults to engage in sexual contact with people of that age. That is still wrong, and in many cases illegal (and even when it’s not illegal, it’s incredibly wrong).

I represent people who are accused of sex offenses as well as people who petition to be removed from the NC sex offender registry. In such cases, I have those people undergo forensic evaluations. Part of those evaluations involve a determination as to whether they are pedophiles (regardless of the nature of the offense and age of victim/alleged victim). If they exhibit sexual attraction to post-pubescent females, their sexual attraction is deemed to have fallen in the “normal” range and they are not diagnosed with pedophilia.

That is probably more information than people wanted to know, but maybe some people want to have an understanding of terms.
 
Icky Mettle said:
While the intent behind Megan Kelly’s statement is apparently dubious, her assertion is it not incorrect. Pedophilia, by its psychiatric definition, is the sexual interest in prepubescent children. Sexual attraction to post-pubescent girls (those in the 15-17 age range) is not deemed pedophilia and is in fact considered psychiatrically normal. Not that that makes it okay for adults to engage in sexual contact with people of that age. That is still wrong, and in many cases illegal (and even when it’s not illegal, it’s incredibly wrong).

I represent people who are accused of sex offenses as well as people who petition to be removed from the NC sex offender registry. In such cases, I have those people undergo forensic evaluations. Part of those evaluations involve a determination as to whether they are pedophiles (regardless of the nature of the offense and age of victim/alleged victim). If they exhibit sexual attraction to post-pubescent females, their sexual attraction is deemed to have fallen in the “normal” range and they are not diagnosed with pedophilia.

That is probably more information than people wanted to know, but maybe some people want to have an understanding of terms.
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SnoopRob said:
I doubt that the girls/women Epstein trafficked were prepubescent. But this is one of those times where a "Well, ackchyually..." defense is in no way, shape, or form an actual defense. It might be the worst version ever of "If you're explaining, you're losing."
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Yeah...
 
Icky Mettle said:
While the intent behind Megan Kelly’s statement is apparently dubious, her assertion is it not incorrect. Pedophilia, by its psychiatric definition, is the sexual interest in prepubescent children. Sexual attraction to post-pubescent girls (those in the 15-17 age range) is not deemed pedophilia and is in fact considered psychiatrically normal. Not that that makes it okay for adults to engage in sexual contact with people of that age. That is still wrong, and in many cases illegal (and even when it’s not illegal, it’s incredibly wrong).

I represent people who are accused of sex offenses as well as people who petition to be removed from the NC sex offender registry. In such cases, I have those people undergo forensic evaluations. Part of those evaluations involve a determination as to whether they are pedophiles (regardless of the nature of the offense and age of victim/alleged victim). If they exhibit sexual attraction to post-pubescent females, their sexual attraction is deemed to have fallen in the “normal” range and they are not diagnosed with pedophilia.

That is probably more information than people wanted to know, but maybe some people want to have an understanding of terms.
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This reminds me of this great standup bit from a comic I otherwise have basically never heard of:

 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
E. Jean Carroll, a journalist, has alleged that Mr Trump sexually assaulted her in a dressing room at a Bergdorf Goodman store in New York in the 1990s.

Alva Johnson, a former Trump campaign staffer, said she had to avoid a kiss from Mr Trump while on a trip to Florida in August of 2016. The White House has denied this most recent accusation, as have some members of the Trump team who say they were present

Jessica Leeds, a former traveling salesperson, alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt while on a first-class flight in the 1980s. Ms Leeds was in her late 30s at the time.

Ivana Trump, Mr Trump’s first wife, once used the word “rape” to describe an encounter with him. The accusation was made in a 1993 book following a divorce settlement between the two. She has since softened her language, saying that she didn’t mean the word in a “literal or criminal sense”.

Jill Harth, a former business partner of Mr Trump’s, said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips, groped her breasts, and grabbed her genitals in what she described in a 1997 as an “attempted rape”. The encounter allegedly occurred at Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, in one of his children’s bedroom. She also says that Mr Trump groped her under the table at a dinner with colleagues at the Plaza Hotel.

Kristen Anderson alleged that Mr Trump put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals over her underwear at the China Club in Manhattan at some point in the early 1990s when she was in her early 20s. Ms Anderson was an aspiring model at the time.

Lisa Boyne accused Mr Trump of insisting that female models walk across a table at a New York restaurant in 1996, and then remarking on their underwear and genitalia. She was 25 at the time.

Cathy Heller says that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips during a Mother’s Day brunch at mar-a-Lago in 1997.

Temple Taggart, a former Miss Utah, alleged that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the mouth on two different occasions. The first incident was the first time that they met. The incidents occurred at the 1997 Miss USA pageant event, and in Trump Tower.

Mariah Billado, a former Miss Vermont Teen USA, has alleged that says that Mr Trump walked into a dressing room unannounced in 1997. She said that there were several teen beauty queens aged between 15 and 19 in the room naked at the time.

Karena Virginia alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her arm and touched her breast while she was waiting for a car after the US Open.

Bridget Sullivan, a former Miss New Hampshire, alleged that Mr Trump walked into the Miss USA pageant dressing room in 2000 while contestants were naked. She was 19 at the time.

Tasha Dixon, a former Miss Arizona, alleged that Mr Trump entered dressing rooms at the Miss USA pageant in 2001 while contestants were “half-naked”.

Melinda Macgillivray alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttock in a pavilion behind the main house of his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2003. They were in the middle of a group of people, she said, and it was during a concert performed by Ray Charles.

Jennifer Murphy said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her after a job interview in 2005. She was 26 at the time.

Rachel Cooks alleged that Mr Trump kissed her forcibly on the lips outside the elevator in Trump Tower in 2005. She was 22 at the time.

Natasha Stoynoff alleged that Mr Trump pushed her against a wall and forcibly kissed her in a closed-door room in his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2005. Ms Stoynoff, a writer for PEOPLE magazine, was there to interview Mr Trump.

Ninni Laaksonen alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks while taking photos outside the Ed Sullivan Theater, and before Mr Trump appeared on the Late Show with David Letterman. Ms Laaksonen was 20 at the time, in 2006.

Jessica Drake alleged that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her and two female friends in 2006, when she was 32. When she pushed him away, she said that he asked her: “How much?”

Samantha Holvey, a former Miss North Carolina, alleged that Mr Trump treated women like “meat” and would barge into dressing rooms to inspect women. She said the incidents occurred in 2006, when she was 20.

Summer Zervos alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her by her shoulders and forcibly kissed her, and groped her breasts, while she was a contestant on The Apprentice in 2007. She said the incidents took place at Trump Tower in New York, and at a hotel in Los Angeles.

Cassandra Searles, a former Miss Washington, said that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks repeatedly in 2013 during the Miss USA pageant in 2013. She said that he also invited her to his hotel room.

Karen Johnson, who said Mr Trump pulled her into a tapestry by her crotch at a New Year's Eve party in the early 2000s.

Amy Dorris, a former model who claims Mr Trump assaulted her at the 1997 US Open tennis tournament. She alleges that he forcibly kissed her and groped her in the bathroom in his VIP box. Her account has been corroborated by several people she told about the incident at the time.
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You all are constantly moving the goal posts. The strong assertion in this thread is that Trump is a confirmed pedo. That's false in that there has been no underage girl who has claimed he had improper contact with them.

No question Trump was a gross groper of women - not defending. The only one I would strongly take issue with is the nutjob E. Jean Carroll.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
I've never thought much of Megyn Kelly, but that statement is just way, way beyond the pale. I've posted this before, but the fall from influential and celebrated (on the right) Fox News superstar to ignored and irrelevant podcaster/third-rate dinky news network talking head is a rude one, and I suspect this appalling "defense" of abusing 15-year-old girls is one way of getting publicity, even negative publicity. Much like Tucker Carlson just a few days ago cozying up to full-blown Nazis in a desperate effort to regain the spotlight, even via negative attention.
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I didn't get that Megyn was saying that sex with 15 yr olds was ok. She was simply describing the type of underage girl Epstein coveted, as per her source.
 
Bigs23 said:
There probably aren’t pictures of him doing it. Short of that would kind of evidence could prove it?
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How about a living breathing victim who comes forward and credibly accuses the President of said behavior. Where's the showy press conference with Gloria Allred?
 
Ramrouser said:
You all are constantly moving the goal posts. The strong assertion in this thread is that Trump is a confirmed pedo. That's false in that there has been no underage girl who has claimed he had improper contact with them.

No question Trump was a gross groper of women - not defending. The only one I would strongly take issue with is the nutjob E. Jean Carroll.
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Wait, you read all the sexual crimes by Trump referenced in Tangled's post, the only one you take issue with is Carroll, and you still support the man as the president of the United States of America???

What is wrong with you???
 
Ramrouser said:
You all are constantly moving the goal posts. The strong assertion in this thread is that Trump is a confirmed pedo. That's false in that there has been no underage girl who has claimed he had improper contact with them.

No question Trump was a gross groper of women - not defending. The only one I would strongly take issue with is the nutjob E. Jean Carroll.
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Correct. He's an alleged pedo. He's a confirmed sexual predator.
 
Ramrouser said:
You all are constantly moving the goal posts. The strong assertion in this thread is that Trump is a confirmed pedo. That's false in that there has been no underage girl who has claimed he had improper contact with them.

No question Trump was a gross groper of women - not defending. The only one I would strongly take issue with is the nutjob E. Jean Carroll.
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lawtig02 said:
Wait, you read all the sexual crimes by Trump referenced in Tangled's post, the only one you take issue with is Carroll, and you still support the man as the president of the United States of America???

What is wrong with you???
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He’s disgusting
 


“… Maxwell was allegedly taken to the prison’s exercise room after hours so she could work out alone, and “allowed to enjoy recreation time in staff-only areas,” wrote Raskin. An inmate who trains service dogs was reportedly instructed to give her special access to a puppy. Raskin claimed that a top official at the prison said that he is “sick of having to be Maxwell’s bitch.”

Some of the details in Raskin’s letter were confirmed on Thursday by CNN, which added one more. Whereas other inmates carefully conserve their toilet paper because they’re given only two rolls a week, CNN reported, Maxwell “is given as much toilet paper as she needs. All she has to do is ask.”

What’s shocking here is not that Maxwell is being treated decently — all prisoners should be — but that she’s being treated so much better than everyone else. The relative pampering she’s enjoying seems particularly significant given newly released emails between her and Epstein suggesting she’s harboring some sort of secret about Trump.

… One of a handful of House Republicans to sign onto the petition was Lauren Boebert, usually a MAGA loyalist. On Wednesday, CNN reportedthat she’d been summoned to the Situation Room to meet with Blanche, Attorney General Pam Bondi and the F.B.I. director, Kash Patel, to discuss the files. Boebert, who didn’t reverse her stance, denied that they’d tried to pressure her. But it’s extraordinary to have the leading law enforcement officials in the nation seemingly working to stop the vote, especially since even if the measure gets to Trump’s desk, he can just veto it.…”

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I find it extraordinary who was there and also bizarre that they had this meeting in the Situation Room.
 
You guys supported Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton so spare me the pearl clutching. Trump didn't leave a woman in a car to drown.
 
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