Epstein Files | Patel: Trust us

[heelinhell]

She’s either getting a pardon or a noose, I presume.

If he pardons Maxwell now , think how MAGA will react. Trump will become part of if not the leader of the Deep State cover up .I guess he could send her a message if she keeps quiet, he will pardon her once the public loses interest in the Epstein files.

It is more likely Maxwell will commit suicide as the final solution.

 

[lawtig02]

It seems that there are only two options here.

First option, which many agreed with earlier in this thread, you and I included, is that there is no list.

Second option is that there is a list, but neither party is willing to release it because of the damage it would cause to the respective party.

I'm not going to look back so you may be able to prove me wrong, but I don't remember saying there's not a list. My view on this has always been --

1. Whatever happened with Epstein involves so many high-level people, in both politics (both parties) and industry, in the US and abroad, that administrations of both parties have been unwilling to disclose all information, despite the fact that Epstein is long dead and therefore could not be personally prejudiced by such disclosure.

2. MAGA were mindbogglingly stupid suckers to think Trump would ever release all the information about Epstein when he could have done so while he was president the first time around but did not.

3. While I have deep sympathy for the victims of Epstein's evil scheme, I honestly don't care that much about this whole issue, except to the extent it creates divisions between Trump and his gullible, idiotic supporters, which would be a great thing for this country.

 

[nycfan]

Flashback

 

[akillesheel]

im apethetic of any holier than thou morals. maybe your god shouldnt have given a 12 yr old the ability to reproduce

there may be no bigger self-report in the history of the internet.

 

[theel4life]

 

[ZenMode]

I'm not going to look back so you may be able to prove me wrong, but I don't remember saying there's not a list. My view on this has always been --

Politics Post in thread 'Epstein Files | Patel: Trust us'

Jul 7, 2025

Anyone on this thread who thinks there is an actual list — something akin to Heidi Fleiss’s black book — is Q-Anon adjacent.

There is no list. There never has been. That is the imagination of the simple-minded conspiracy freaks. Epstein was not writing down on a piece of paper everyone that he hung out with. That is not how the real world works.

There are flight manifests. And there are documents showing people that interacted with Epstein. But there is no list.

C’mon people. Use some savvy.

I agree. But you need to take that up with our Attorney General.

• lawtig02

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1. Whatever happened with Epstein involves so many high-level people, in both politics (both parties) and industry, in the US and abroad, that administrations of both parties have been unwilling to disclose all information, despite the fact that Epstein is long dead and therefore could not be personally prejudiced by such disclosure.

There's no doubt that Epstein associated with a lot of high-level people. I just don't believe he was whoring out his girls to them.... particularly Stephen Hawking!

The topic of "Hey, you wanna fuck some underaged girls" isn't a topic someone can broach with a high number of people without a high level of risk. That is a risk I don't believe Epstein was willing to take.

 

[CFordUNC]

Politics Post in thread 'Epstein Files | Patel: Trust us'

Jul 7, 2025

Anyone on this thread who thinks there is an actual list — something akin to Heidi Fleiss’s black book — is Q-Anon adjacent.

There is no list. There never has been. That is the imagination of the simple-minded conspiracy freaks. Epstein was not writing down on a piece of paper everyone that he hung out with. That is not how the real world works.

There are flight manifests. And there are documents showing people that interacted with Epstein. But there is no list.

C’mon people. Use some savvy.

I agree. But you need to take that up with our Attorney General.

• lawtig02

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There's no doubt that Epstein associated with a lot of high-level people. I just don't believe he was whoring out his girls to them.... particularly Stephen Hawking!

The topic of "Hey, you wanna fuck some underaged girls" isn't a topic someone can broach with a high number of people without a high level of risk. That is a risk I don't believe Epstein was willing to take.

I can see where you’re coming from about the risk for others, but walk me through your thinking. Would the concept of mutually-assured destruction not be a sufficient way to keep a whole lot of people quiet? I mean, if these rich and powerful people all have an appetite for some underage strange, I can’t imagine, despite their ability to totally nuke another into orbit by spilling the beans, that they’d want to risk ratting themselves out and ending the fun.

Also, help me to understand why I shouldn’t believe that a whole bunch of rich and powerful people all hanging out with the most notorious international child sex trafficker of our time, and spending lots of time on his plane and on his island and at his parties, wouldn’t *at a bare minimum** have knowledge of his activities or **at worst** been active participants? I mean, I guess it’s possible that Jeffrey Epstein was the most charming, most fun guy in the entire universe but it seems a hell of a lot more probable that all of his rich and powerful friends shared a similar appetite for sex with underage girls.

 

[tonman]

A co Dustin to Trump’s next state visit to Buckingham Palace?

New Trump Resort

 

[tonman]

Politics Post in thread 'Epstein Files | Patel: Trust us'

Jul 7, 2025

Anyone on this thread who thinks there is an actual list — something akin to Heidi Fleiss’s black book — is Q-Anon adjacent.

There is no list. There never has been. That is the imagination of the simple-minded conspiracy freaks. Epstein was not writing down on a piece of paper everyone that he hung out with. That is not how the real world works.

There are flight manifests. And there are documents showing people that interacted with Epstein. But there is no list.

C’mon people. Use some savvy.

I agree. But you need to take that up with our Attorney General.

• lawtig02

• 

There's no doubt that Epstein associated with a lot of high-level people. I just don't believe he was whoring out his girls to them.... particularly Stephen Hawking!

The topic of "Hey, you wanna fuck some underaged girls" isn't a topic someone can broach with a high number of people without a high level of risk. That is a risk I don't believe Epstein was willing to take.

Yes knowing Epstein does not mean the person participated in underage sex. That said, why were these girls at these parties? I'm pretty sure Epstein and Maxwell could find 18 year old and make everything appear legal.

Next, if you were Epstein, I guarantee you would have kept a list and maybe even videos. A call here and there and voila, no charges filed.

 

[Zoo_View]

Yes knowing Epstein does not mean the person participated in underage sex. That said, why were these girls at these parties? I'm pretty sure Epstein and Maxwell could find 18 year old and make everything appear legal.

Next, if you were Epstein, I guarantee you would have kept a list and maybe even videos. A call here and there and voila, no charges filed.

And, $$$$$ in a Cayman account.

 

[lawtig02]

Politics Post in thread 'Epstein Files | Patel: Trust us'

Jul 7, 2025

Anyone on this thread who thinks there is an actual list — something akin to Heidi Fleiss’s black book — is Q-Anon adjacent.

There is no list. There never has been. That is the imagination of the simple-minded conspiracy freaks. Epstein was not writing down on a piece of paper everyone that he hung out with. That is not how the real world works.

There are flight manifests. And there are documents showing people that interacted with Epstein. But there is no list.

C’mon people. Use some savvy.

I agree. But you need to take that up with our Attorney General.

• lawtig02

• 

There's no doubt that Epstein associated with a lot of high-level people. I just don't believe he was whoring out his girls to them.... particularly Stephen Hawking!

The topic of "Hey, you wanna fuck some underaged girls" isn't a topic someone can broach with a high number of people without a high level of risk. That is a risk I don't believe Epstein was willing to take.

Fair enough. I was intending to comment on the "Epstein was not writing down everyone he hung out with" part of it, but you're right that I did say that. I continue to think what I said today, including that I'm only interested in this at all because of the dissention it's creating within MAGA.

 

[CFordUNC]

Serious question: is there one single solitary other human being in existence in the United States of America who could do ALL of the following and *still* have a bunch of people doubt whether he is guilty of *some* level of involvement in child sex trafficking: 1. Repeatedly brag in multiple interviews about how much he wanted to date his teenage daughter and/or make lewd comments about her body, 2. Repeatedly brag about being able to walk in on naked teenage girls in the dressing room because he owned the pageants, 3. Be caught on tape bragging about how he could grab women by the pussy whenever he wanted, 4. have been accused of sexual assault by scores of different women, 5. be found civilly-liable for sexual assault by a jury of his peers, and 6. (most importantly) been known to be best friends and spend tons of time with the most notorious child sex trafficker in the world on a private plane, on a private island, and at private parties where it was known that there were underage girls.

I mean, what am I missing here? Is there quite literally any other person alive who could garner such benefit of the doubt? Hell, numbers 1 and 2 above by themselves would be immensely disqualifying on their own.

My TDS is acting up so would love for someone to walk me through how there's such plausible deniability for Donald Trump that would not be afforded to literally any other person alive.

 

[theel4life]

Serious question: is there one single solitary other human being in existence in the United States of America who could do ALL of the following and *still* have a bunch of people doubt whether he is guilty of *some* level of involvement in child sex trafficking: 1. Repeatedly brag in multiple interviews about how much he wanted to date his teenage daughter and/or make lewd comments about her body, 2. Repeatedly brag about being able to walk in on naked teenage girls in the dressing room because he owned the pageants, 3. Be caught on tape bragging about how he could grab women by the pussy whenever he wanted, 4. have been accused of sexual assault by scores of different women, 5. be found civilly-liable for sexual assault by a jury of his peers, and 6. (most importantly) been known to be best friends and spend tons of time with the most notorious child sex trafficker in the world on a private plane, on a private island, and at private parties where it was known that there were underage girls.

I mean, what am I missing here? Is there quite literally any other person alive who could garner such benefit of the doubt? Hell, numbers 1 and 2 above by themselves would be immensely disqualifying on their own.

My TDS is acting up so would love for someone to walk me through how there's such plausible deniability for Donald Trump that would not be afforded to literally any other person alive.

 

[finesse]

Serious question: is there one single solitary other human being in existence in the United States of America who could do ALL of the following and *still* have a bunch of people doubt whether he is guilty of *some* level of involvement in child sex trafficking: 1. Repeatedly brag in multiple interviews about how much he wanted to date his teenage daughter and/or make lewd comments about her body, 2. Repeatedly brag about being able to walk in on naked teenage girls in the dressing room because he owned the pageants, 3. Be caught on tape bragging about how he could grab women by the pussy whenever he wanted, 4. have been accused of sexual assault by scores of different women, 5. be found civilly-liable for sexual assault by a jury of his peers, and 6. (most importantly) been known to be best friends and spend tons of time with the most notorious child sex trafficker in the world on a private plane, on a private island, and at private parties where it was known that there were underage girls.

I mean, what am I missing here? Is there quite literally any other person alive who could garner such benefit of the doubt? Hell, numbers 1 and 2 above by themselves would be immensely disqualifying on their own.

My TDS is acting up so would love for someone to walk me through how there's such plausible deniability for Donald Trump that would not be afforded to literally any other person alive.

It's got to be his reputation for telling the truth and his impeccable business ethics.

 

[ZenMode]

I can see where you’re coming from about the risk for others, but walk me through your thinking. Would the concept of mutually-assured destruction not be a sufficient way to keep a whole lot of people quiet? I mean, if these rich and powerful people all have an appetite for some underage strange, I can’t imagine, despite their ability to totally nuke another into orbit by spilling the beans, that they’d want to risk ratting themselves out and ending the fun.

MAD could make a situation tempting for some people and maybe some of his associates did participate. I'm speculating like everyone else, but there is so much risk here that I just can't believe that there would be a lengthy list of participants. Again, Epstein and Ghislaine are putting themselves at risk if it's just the two of them + the victims. They're upping the risk every time they "offer" someone a young girl. The person being offered has to be thinking "if I'm being offered, then how many others are being offered and it only takes ONE person to say something and the house of cards comes crashing down and I'm screwed!"

There's also the reality that it only takes ONE victim to say something to bring the whole thing down. See Diddy or (not that I consider them to be victims, per se) Monica and Bill or Stormy and Trump.

There's also the question of why Epstein would want to "share" his girls..... you know what I mean?

Also, help me to understand why I shouldn’t believe that a whole bunch of rich and powerful people all hanging out with the most notorious international child sex trafficker of our time, and spending lots of time on his plane and on his island and at his parties, wouldn’t *at a bare minimum** have knowledge of his activities or **at worst** been active participants? I mean, I guess it’s possible that Jeffrey Epstein was the most charming, most fun guy in the entire universe but it seems a hell of a lot more probable that all of his rich and powerful friends shared a similar appetite for sex with underage girls.

I'm not saying there isn't reason to believe exactly what you're saying. It's absolutely possible. I would think, given what's at stake for Epstein and Ghislaine, they would have been able to leverage their knowledge, with their rich and powerful associates, into a sweatheart deal. As it stands now, Epstein killed himself, or so it seems, and Ghislaine is serving a long prison term. I would think that one of them, particularly with video evidence, would have said "Either you get us out of this, or we're bringing the whole thing down"....

 

[05C40]

. . .. As it stands now, Epstein killed himself, or so it seems, and Ghislaine is serving a long prison term. I would think that one of them, particularly with video evidence, would have said "Either you get us out of this, or we're bringing the whole thing down"....

In re Ghislaine Maxwell making demands: Crooked tycoon's mysterious yacht fall death sparked sinister conspiracies

 

[Healing]

Also, help me to understand why I shouldn’t believe that a whole bunch of rich and powerful people all hanging out with the most notorious international child sex trafficker of our time, and spending lots of time on his plane and on his island and at his parties, wouldn’t *at a bare minimum** have knowledge of his activities or **at worst** been active participants? I mean, I guess it’s possible that Jeffrey Epstein was the most charming, most fun guy in the entire universe but it seems a hell of a lot more probable that all of his rich and powerful friends shared a similar appetite for sex with underage girls.

This is pretty aligned with why I’m conspiracy-curious, in this particular case.

Epstein's verified entanglements with power are so broad as to be comically absurd. We're talking Bill Barr's father (who wrote a sci fi novel, Space Relations, around themes of child sex trafficking and sex slavery, specifically catered to intergalactic oligarchs), Bill Barr, Trump, Trump's former labor secretary (Acosta gave Epstein the original "WTF?!" plea deal in 2008 ... in Palm Beach), Clinton, damn near every high profile tech bro from the '00s and '10s, etc.

It's all too much for my brain to conclude "yeah, he was just a really, really, reeeeeeeeeeally good hedge fund manager, who just happened to spend an inordinate amount of time trafficking, grooming, and raping underage girls, AND have a "friend group" of some of the highest profile and richest people on the planet."

 

[lawtig02]

The most underreported crime story of our times is the shift of the organized crime nerve center from New York, Kings and Queens Counties from the 1960s through the mid-1990s to Broward and Palm Beach Counties from the mid-1990s through the present. If you follow that track and the people who moved along that track, you'll understand most of the human and drug trafficking dynamics in the last 50+ years.

To avoid burying the lede, Epstein moved along that track. As did Roger Stone. As did the current leader of the free world.

 

[finesse]

The most underreported crime story of our times is the shift of the organized crime nerve center from New York, Kings and Queens Counties from the 1960s through the mid-1990s to Broward and Palm Beach Counties from the mid-1990s through the present. If you follow that track and the people who moved along that track, you'll understand most of the human and drug trafficking dynamics in the last 50+ years.

To avoid burying the lede, Epstein moved along that track. As did Roger Stone. As did the current leader of the free world.

How much of the organized crime thing was Castro closing off Cuba. Havana was getting pretty big in the 50s in that regard, wasn't it?

 

[CFordUNC]

If this is true…what do y'all have to hide, Pubs!?!?!?