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gtyellowjacket said:
Okay. Not a politician. A bureaucrat with an interest in persuading constituents to his point of view. I'm not sure the motive is all that different between him and a politician that has gone through an election and is now running a department.
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Just plead ignorance and throw yourself on the mercy of someone of gives a shit about your stupid takes on things. Go read the history of directors since Hoover and note that almost all of them were active judges and/or prosecutors. Not exactly people with constituents.
 
finesse said:
Just plead ignorance and throw yourself on the mercy of someone of gives a shit about your stupid takes on things. Go read the history of directors since Hoover and note that almost all of them were active judges and/or prosecutors. Not exactly people with constituents.
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Do you mean like this?

gtyellowjacket said:
Okay. Not a politician.
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I think you're making a point that you've already won. He's not a politician. You are completely correct. I was ignorant. Please allow me mercy for saying he was a politician. I beg of you. If you could see it in your heart to forgive me of mislabeling him as a politician, I could get on with my life without the overwhelming sense of shame and guilt.

He's a bureaucrat that wants to get his message out so he went on show to do that. It's not exactly unprecedented. And director Patel is a former federal prosecutor.
 
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gtyellowjacket said:
Do you mean like this?


I think you're making a point that you've already won. He's not a politician. You are completely correct. I was ignorant. Please allow me mercy for saying he was a politician. I beg of you. If you could see it in your heart to forgive me of mislabeling him as a politician, I could get in with my life without the overwhelming sense of shame and guilt.

He's a bureaucrat that wants to get his message out so he went on show to do that. It's not exactly unprecedented. And director Patel is a former federal prosecutor.
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Compare his record to any director since Hoover and it's clear that he's far less qualified and far more politicized than any other person to hold the office.
 
Paine said:
That’s a clever line but also misses the point.
The problem isn’t just who’s inclusive or who talks the loudest, it’s that the liberal media often fails to address real economic and social concerns. That’s why folks drift to Rogan, Von, or others who might be “mountebanks” but speak in a way that feels authentic or relatable.

It’s less about polish and more about connection and substance.
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Give some examples of liberal media… and how they fail to address “real” economic and social concerns. Links?
 
finesse said:
Compare his record to any director since Hoover and it's clear that he's far less qualified and far more politicized than any other person to hold the office.
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Okay. What does that have to do with him going on a podcast to get his message across? It seems like you were trying to make up arguments that no one is making.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Okay. What does that have to do with him going on a podcast to get his message across? It seems like you were trying to make up arguments that no one is making.
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It has to do with the idea that his position doesn't have a message to sell to the public. He has a professional obligation to the public to fulfill instead. Campaigning in support of Trump is not part of that.
 
finesse said:
You do realize that almost every single one of those came out of the same Republican think tanks and rightwing media foundations that Democrats have been literally the only ones to challenge. Can you you tell me what's wrong with this picture when the lying bastards who caused the damage get the benefit? That's almost as bad as ignoring how bad for the economy the Republicans have been in virtually everyway for the last 75 years.
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This^
It was - and is - the Pubs who are/were the bad guys. Nixon, Reagan (Iran/Contra), Bush I, Bush II, Trump I, Trump II

And any of today’s “truth tellers” (WTF is that?) on their “podcasts” or right wing radio shows who purport to be influencers and to be “telling the truth” aren’t doing anybody any favors.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Politicians want to get their message out so they go to the media forums that are consumed by the people they want to deliver that message to. Its not unprecedented.
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You’re comparing a comedy bit with Zach G to an appearance on Joe Rogan’s podcast?

1. Those two are not the same. One deals in comedy, and one deals in conspiracy theories and deception.

2. Even if Obama or Trump appeared on a podcast of their choosing to spread their agenda, I’d have no problem with it because they are the POTUS. It’s a political office and they are expected to spread their message any way they can. The Director of the FBI doing the same is not acceptable because they are expected to be impartial. This is what we are talking about.
 
Paine said:
I’ve tried to post a lot of my alt media sources on the podcast thread over time. Mehdi Hasan is great. After leaving MSNBC, he launched Zeteo. They do really great work over there.

I’ll just list a few of my main alt media sources here for posterity:

Zeteo
Dropsite News
The Majority Report (more entertainment but also does straight news and interviews with academics, journalists, etc.)
Know Your Enemy
American Prestige
Hasan Piker
Doomscroll w/ Josh Citarella
Jacobin

There is some really great audio and written content coming out of these spaces. Better than anything you will hear on cable news and even places like NPR in my opinion.
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Very much appreciated. I owe you.
 
Paine said:
Here are a few patterns I’ve noticed:

Too much personality politics, not enough structural analysis. Outlets like MSNBC and CNN spend hours dissecting the latest Trump soundbite or political gaffe, but they spend far less time talking about things like wage stagnation, corporate consolidation, or housing policy. It's politics as theater rather than substance.

Labor movements get short shrift. Huge strikes and union drives like those at Amazon, Starbucks, and among teachers often get ignored until they boil over into a national story. Even then, coverage is usually surface-level. There’s rarely sustained reporting on the conditions that led to the unrest in the first place.

Coverage often reflects an upper-middle-class worldview. Liberal media can be great on cultural representation but often substitutes that for economic justice. Pretty obvious why this is the case when you see who owns these cable outlets.

Too many corporate-friendly experts. On healthcare, for example, liberal media tends to elevate voices that push tweaks around the edges like a public option while ignoring or marginalizing Medicare for All advocates. There’s a reason the Overton window on these issues shifts slowly, if at all.

This isn’t to say liberal media is the enemy. But people tune out for a reason. These blind spots matter, especially when they affect people’s material reality. When we handwave those failures, we just feed the broader crisis of institutional trust.
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On an entirely different note, if you are coming to the Bosh today, you should come to the tailgate party and hang out with us and all the player's families.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Politicians want to get their message out so they go to the media forums that are consumed by the people they want to deliver that message to. Its not unprecedented.
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He’s not a politician. He’s an FBI Director.

ETA: Sorry. I see others beat me to it.
 
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Icky Mettle said:
He’s not a politician. He’s an FBI Director.
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I saw that Between Two Ferns episode. It was all in good fun with Zach goofing on Obama. It is hilarious :ROFLMAO:

My favorite Zach question was, "What's it feel like being the last black president ? "
 
Paine said:
This clip of Von and Vance exemplifies the dynamic I was talking about. Von seems to genuinely care about the carnage in Gaza, but he doesn’t have a journalistic bone in his body. There’s no pressing Vance on the issue, and Von’s listeners are done a disservice by this. I can parse these things with the knowledge I have, most listeners of these pods cannot.

For that reason, we can’t allow the right to monopolize the podcast space. Dems need to embrace left independent media.
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Democrats don’t appear on podcasts?
 
wmheel1287 said:
On an entirely different note, if you are coming to the Bosh today, you should come to the tailgate party and hang out with us and all the player's families.
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I attended a few several years ago. I had season tickets and my name is on the Bosh wall.

You were/are a gracious host. I haven't been to a game since Covid but follow the Heels on IC, here, and GoHeels.com. I will be watching on tv with two buddies and have🤞for a trip to Omaha !
 
Paine said:
A lot of people hear "liberal media" and assume it means "media that blindly supports Democrats 100% of the time." That’s not what I mean. CNN is liberal media, not because it pushes progressive policy, but because it represents a particular kind of institutional liberalism: pro-business, technocratic, and deferential to authority.

Yes, it sometimes criticizes Democrats, but it does so from a position within the establishment, not from outside it. That’s part of its brand: maintaining the illusion of objectivity while generally reinforcing the status quo. And yes, it features conservative voices, but that’s not a contradiction. The spectrum on CNN tends to run from centrist liberal to Never Trump Republican. What’s excluded are voices that seriously challenge corporate power, permanent war, or deep economic inequality from the left.
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The United States is not the worst globally but it is 31st in education in 2024. Listening to Podcasts ain't helping. Read Reuters and AP if you want news. Watch cable TV and listen to podcasts if you want entertainment and be fed misinformation. Best thing? Travel. See the world. Live in another country for a while.

ETA: It ain't the Dems fault... but a ton of blame can be laid at the feet of Pubs and the Rush/O'Reilly/Joe Rogan Klan.
 
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