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Ramrouser said:
No doubt Pete shouldn't have been identifying the timing for the attacks but at least no information of individual sources, specific weaponry to be used and units involved in the attack. I've already said they should admit they erred and move on.

As for firing, name me one Biden official or military official that was fired for the Afghanistan debacle or any other screw up?
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It’s even worse than that! The architect of the Afghanistan debacle was just REHIRED by the American people for another four years term!
 
Ramrouser said:
No doubt Pete shouldn't have been identifying the timing for the attacks but at least no information of individual sources, specific weaponry to be used and units involved in the attack. I've already said they should admit they erred and move on.

As for firing, name me one Biden official or military official that was fired for the Afghanistan debacle or any other screw up?
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This isn’t an “admit they erred and move on” situation. They were discussing actual military movement and attack plans on an unauthorized, unsecured channel, and included someone who does not have security clearances. This is a “multiple someones need to resign or be fired” situation, and you know good and well that would be your stance had this occurred under the Biden administration. You know it, I know it.
 
CFordUNC said:
This isn’t an “admit they erred and move on” situation. They were discussing actual military movement and attack plans on an unauthorized, unsecured channel, and included someone who does not have security clearances. This is a “multiple someones need to resign or be fired” situation, and you know good and well that would be your stance had this occurred under the Biden administration. You know it, I know it.
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So this was worse than Afghanistan with people dying and literally falling out of the sky from airplanes? That debacle indirectly lead to Russia attacking Ukraine. Where was the demand for mass firings after that foreign policy debacle - and don't try and blame it on Trump as Biden was responsible for the logistics and the Sept 11th timing.
 
The Admin. is digging in protecting Hegeseth comments. They probably got the idea and talking points from Sean Hannity/Faux News. If Elon is the real Prez. then Hannity is the VP.

Anyway, they are claiming that Hegseth did not lie or mislead in ANY way. They contend it is because he said there were no "War Plans" on the chat, and never said there were not "Attack Plans."

Not sure what the excuse will be for Tulsi who waa asked specifically if any general target was displayed, any particular times, or any particular weapons used. She said no. My guess here is that she included the phrase "that I recall." But this wasn't years ago.

And they all claimed there was no classified information on the chat. 100% false and no way to deny. The point about Biden's Admin allowing Signal to be installed, does not allow for classified info, conversations, and military ops planning. Only MAGAt dunderheads like RamRammer would fall for that.

Oh, and they are still bashing the Atlantic Editor as if their opinions of him matter. He was the only responsible one on the chat. He only released the Plans days after the strike, and only because he was forced to with all the perjury and lies yesterday.
 
I keep hearing the Trump Administration and their defenders claim the attack on the Houthis was completely successful as a defense, but setting aside that is not the primary issue here, it is worth examining whether it is fair to call an incomplete mission a success?

Background (3/21 article):

“…Officials said the new round of strikes in Yemen may last for weeks and that they are now less worried about casualties. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Sunday claimed the renewed military operation is necessary due to attacks on Navyships and shipping, telling Maria Bartiromo on Fox News that "ships haven't been able to go through for over a year without being shot at."

However, as leaders like Hegseth demand the Houthis halt their attacks as a condition of ending the strikes, multiple officials at the Pentagon, who spoke on condition of anonymity to more freely discuss the current situation, told Military.com that the last Houthi attack they were aware of occurred in December -- months ago and before President Donald Trump even took office.

In his Fox News appearance, Hegseth said that, around that time frame, "we sent a ship through, it was shot at 17 times," but he didn't offer any further details about whether it was a U.S. warship or merchant ship.

U.S. Central Command did announce two attacks against U.S. warships and merchant ships that month, but the munitions used didn't appear to add up to 17.

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The Trump administration's military operations against the Houthis began Saturday with a strike that hit "over 30 targets at multiple locations," Lt. Gen. Alex Grynkewich, the joint staff's planning boss, told reporters Monday.

"These included terrorist training sites, unmanned aerial vehicle infrastructure, weapons manufacturing capabilities and weapon storage facilities," Grynkewich said, adding that the targets "also included a number of command-and-control centers, including a terrorist compound where we know several senior Houthi unmanned aerial vehicle experts were located."

Since Saturday, Grynkewich said strikes have continued; posts on the U.S. Central Command and Defense Department social media pages show that jets from the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman were flying as late as Thursday.

Grynkewich wouldn't say how many targets were hit on subsequent days, but several defense officials told Military.com that the number of targets was lower than the total reported Saturday. …”

The Last Houthi Attack Was Months Ago. But the US Military Has Now Launched an Open-Ended Campaign in Yemen. | Military.com

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Meanwhile, the Houthis have vowed to retaliate and to resume attacking shipping lanes …
 
Ramrouser said:
So this was worse than Afghanistan with people dying and literally falling out of the sky from airplanes?
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Much worse. Afghanistan was a military operation. Military operations are difficult to plan and often go sideways. The degree of difficulty is high.

This was a fucking group chat. This is the simplest thing in the world do get right. As you might have seen the video earlier on this thread, it's explainable to small children. Here's what you need to know to avoid this problem:

don't discuss military operations over unsecured channels. Unsecured for military purposes.

That's all. It's like that cartoon from Trump 1 with Merkel asking Trump, "what did I tell you about hiring Nazis?" and Trump says, "Don't" Then next slide: "and what did you do?" Trump: hired Nazis.

The difference here is orders of magnitude in scope. General rule of thumb: if there is an operational principle that a high schooler can easily understand and implement, then the fucking Secretary Of Defense better be able to do as well as the high schooler and if he can't, he shouldn't be the Secretary Of Defense.
 
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