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If that’s the case, considering the amount of poverty in those states, the wealthy will have to be taxed considerably.
I suppose that they could vote themselves into a regional Great Depression, which with their tribal type of thinking wouldn’t be surprising. I mean, people in W Va rail on EVs, which would increase coal usage and lower the cost of gas.
 
Why is the Federal government still giving out COVID money? Biden declared the pandemic over.
The government awarded monies to the states during the pandemic. They were given a deadline (which extended past the time when COVID was a pandemic) to spend the money. Because, you know, school buildings and such projects aren’t planned for and built in the span of a year or less.
Now Trump is rescinding that money as the projects are being built and will leave states like Mississippi on the hook for the cost. The cost of the builds don’t magically disappear because COVID cases are no longer at pandemic levels.
 
The government awarded monies to the states during the pandemic. They were given a deadline (which extended past the time when COVID was a pandemic) to spend the money. Because, you know, school buildings and such projects aren’t planned for and built in the span of a year or less.
Now Trump is rescinding that money as the projects are being built and will leave states like Mississippi on the hook for the cost. The cost of the builds don’t magically disappear because COVID cases are no longer at pandemic levels.
Right. COVID money probably shouldn't be used to build buildings because building construction has nothing to do with Covid. That money should be returned.

The government gave out money to some businesses to continue paying employees when businesses were closed. They can't just take that money and throw a company party or buy new equipment.
 
Right. COVID money probably shouldn't be used to build buildings because building construction has nothing to do with Covid. That money should be returned.

The government gave out money to some businesses to continue paying employees when businesses were closed. They can't just take that money and throw a company party or buy new equipment.
I'm open to debate on this, but I must say that what Zen is saying here makes a lot of sense to me. The old-school conservative in me feels like it would be incredibly wasteful for Covid money to be used on things not at all related to Covid. Just saying.
 
Right. COVID money probably shouldn't be used to build buildings because building construction has nothing to do with Covid. That money should be returned.

The government gave out money to some businesses to continue paying employees when businesses were closed. They can't just take that money and throw a company party or buy new equipment.
The CARES Act was passed by a Dem majority house (419-6) and Republican majority senate (96-0) and signed into law by Trump. Like it or not, it had broad, bipartisan support.
 
Right. COVID money probably shouldn't be used to build buildings because building construction has nothing to do with Covid. That money should be returned.

The government gave out money to some businesses to continue paying employees when businesses were closed. They can't just take that money and throw a company party or buy new equipment.
What ZenMode thinks should happen with government funds is way outside of the point.
The point is that monies were allocated for precisely these types of expenses. The states made appropriate and legal decisions to spend that money for which it was intended. Now, Trump is reneging on that promise.
 
The CARES Act was passed by a Dem majority house (419-6) and Republican majority senate (96-0) and signed into law by Trump. Like it or not, it had broad, bipartisan support.
Well, if we are legally required to keep the money with the states, ok, but this is just another bigger-picture issue of unnecessary spending that is driving us toward financial oblivion.
 
Right. COVID money probably shouldn't be used to build buildings because building construction has nothing to do with Covid. That money should be returned.

The government gave out money to some businesses to continue paying employees when businesses were closed. They can't just take that money and throw a company party or buy new equipment.
Ask MTG if she can give back the $189k she got, then we can worry about other companies.
 
The government gave out money to some businesses to continue paying employees when businesses were closed. They can't just take that money and throw a company party or buy new equipment.
This is not true. COVID era money to businesses via PPP and other programs did not require a business to be closed. I personally know of a small business that received 6 figures and it had a record year for revenue and profit.

I remember reading about a private jet company that received $20 million and their business soared as people sought to avoid commercial flights.
 
Self-righteously trying to deny federal aid for places that dare to not support your cult leader when they're hit by a natural disaster and are suffering, and then openly begging and pleading for federal aid for your own state when it's hit by a natural disaster, is the very image of hypocrisy. Of course we've all known that they are hypocrites for a long time, but while I feel sorry for the victims of these tornadoes who will likely not get any federal help like they normally would, I don't feel at all sorry for people like Cotton or Huckabee. You reap what you sow, as they say.
Didn't we used to have a poster here who took exceptional umbrage at hypocrisy?

Wonder what happened to that guy...
 
Well, if we are legally required to keep the money with the states, ok, but this is just another bigger-picture issue of unnecessary spending that is driving us toward financial oblivion.
What happened to state income tax and sales tax revenue when many people were laid off and stayed home during the pandemic? Would that impact the budgets of these states? How may that disrupt long term infrastructure projects that would still be necessary after the pandemic?

Do you think at all before you post, or is it purely a gut reaction?
 
What happened to state income tax and sales tax revenue when many people were laid off and stayed home during the pandemic?
It would decrease, as would revenues for the federal government.

Would that impact the budgets of these states?
If they were completely financially irresponsible, to the point that they had absolutely no money saved and/or couldn't borrow money or simply run in the red for whole, yes.
How may that disrupt long term infrastructure projects that would still be necessary after the pandemic?
That would depend on each individual state's financial situation, the size of the project, etc. Long term, with local state and federal governments, I'd say basically nothing was impacted.
Do you think at all before you post, or is it purely a gut reaction?
Oddly, after reading your post, I wondered the same thing.
 
This is not true. COVID era money to businesses via PPP and other programs did not require a business to be closed. I personally know of a small business that received 6 figures and it had a record year for revenue and profit.

I remember reading about a private jet company that received $20 million and their business soared as people sought to avoid commercial flights.
That may be true, but the point was that money was allocated for salaries and couldn't legally be used for other things.
 
I'm open to debate on this, but I must say that what Zen is saying here makes a lot of sense to me. The old-school conservative in me feels like it would be incredibly wasteful for Covid money to be used on things not at all related to Covid. Just saying.
It was an “Education Stabilization Fund,” and they were given to be used in precisely the way the states are using them.
The time for making arguments that is was wasteful was in 2020. Apparently those arguments were heard and voted on by the house and senate and passed overwhelmingly, and Trump signed it into law.
If this was irresponsible spending, okay. But what is more irresponsible (imo) is granting the money and then pulling the rug out from under the states after they started projects based upon the law that passed.
I also think it is illegal for these funds to be appropriated and then unilaterally canceled by the executive office (but I could be wrong there).
 
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