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Not that it came as a surprise but Trump's comment on Meet the Press this morning about not knowing whether or not he needs to uphold the Constitution is further proof that his supporters and voters are a combination of assholes and dumbasses.

We're a spoiled, degenerate nation. And we're about to get exactly what we deserve.

I think it will be far worse than even the skeptics currently think. The dollar may even lose reserve status after this is all over. And anyone with half a brain knows that's been the only thing propping up our way of life here for some time. Since conservatives won't tax the ultra wealthy like they used to do.
 
Occasionally, I have to be "that guy," so I will be that guy.

It still shocks me how many of you attempt to have dialogue with these bad faith, degenerate assholes. I'm convinced you just like seeing your thoughts in digital print. Or hearing the sound of your own voice, or something.

For as much as we criticize Democratic Party messaging here, many of you make the same mistakes. You don't converse with fascists and bad faith actors. You just legitimize them in the process. You talk to them. Because the alternative to "talk" is potentially war, which only the very worst among us want. But you do not converse. If you understand the distinction.

So you don't meet them on their terms, which is conversation. You throw them off balance. You ask why they hate the country. You ask why they hate children. You ask why they hate prosperity. You ask why they hate the Constitution. Etc. You don't debate them on the merits of their arguments. They'll garble back some nonsense. And as long as we still have a court of public opinion in this country, it will be the judge. If they decide some complete nonsense about how the Constitution "actually allows us to do whatever the fuck we want" great, then so be it. But you don't play on their terms.

People are emotional. Facts don't matter. So you use what you have to turn emotion on your side. To appeal to that lizard brain receptor. You don't have to appeal to the mom in suburban Philadelphia who is worried about illegal migrant hordes raping her children. She's an idiot. She's gone. But you show the rest of available swing voters how our most basic national values are under attack by allowing the opposition to be the complete unhinged assholes they are. And once the economy tanks like a stone dropped into a lake, as it surely will, you capitalize.
 
gregh1 said:
This era is so anti-incumbency that a White, Christian, straight woman potentially could win as long as she isn't attractive but also not too ugly, and strong but not "nasty"... And her running mate is all the above but male... But the economy would need to suck.
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She also needs to do what Margaret Thatcher did with her voice - learn to speak in lower tones AND absolutely no high-pitched laughter.
 
MendotoManteo said:
Occasionally, I have to be "that guy," so I will be that guy.

It still shocks me how many of you attempt to have dialogue with these bad faith, degenerate assholes. I'm convinced you just like seeing your thoughts in digital print. Or hearing the sound of your own voice, or something.

For as much as we criticize Democratic Party messaging here, many of you make the same mistakes. You don't converse with fascists and bad faith actors. You just legitimize them in the process. You talk to them. Because the alternative to "talk" is potentially war, which only the very worst among us want. But you do not converse. If you understand the distinction.

So you don't meet them on their terms, which is conversation. You throw them off balance. You ask why they hate the country. You ask why they hate children. You ask why they hate prosperity. You ask why they hate the Constitution. Etc. You don't debate them on the merits of their arguments. They'll garble back some nonsense. And as long as we still have a court of public opinion in this country, it will be the judge. If they decide some complete nonsense about how the Constitution "actually allows us to do whatever the fuck we want" great, then so be it. But you don't play on their terms.

People are emotional. Facts don't matter. So you use what you have to turn emotion on your side. To appeal to that lizard brain receptor. You don't have to appeal to the mom in suburban Philadelphia who is worried about illegal migrant hordes raping her children. She's an idiot. She's gone. But you show the rest of available swing voters how our most basic national values are under attack by allowing the opposition to be the complete unhinged assholes they are. And once the economy tanks like a stone dropped into a lake, as it surely will, you capitalize.
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This^
And I find it easier to simply block them or super-ignore, etc. Don't even talk to them much less have a convo or dialogue with them. It's like trying to have dialogue with Trump himself. Why bother? He/they are all idiots and the convo goes nowhere.
Also, agree about the economy. It'll suck for everybody, sure, but at the end of the day the only way out will be to tax the rich like the Eisenhower era; bring back strong Unions; etc. Other than that, the only way out will be to storm the Bastille, civil war (the one they want anyway); or some other civil unrest which simply can't be denied.
But I think if the dollar and/or economy gets so bad, and for long enough to where even the most hardened trumper can't claim "it's the Biden economy", then the tide will finally turn.
 
MendotoManteo said:
Occasionally, I have to be "that guy," so I will be that guy.

It still shocks me how many of you attempt to have dialogue with these bad faith, degenerate assholes. I'm convinced you just like seeing your thoughts in digital print. Or hearing the sound of your own voice, or something.

For as much as we criticize Democratic Party messaging here, many of you make the same mistakes. You don't converse with fascists and bad faith actors. You just legitimize them in the process. You talk to them. Because the alternative to "talk" is potentially war, which only the very worst among us want. But you do not converse. If you understand the distinction.

So you don't meet them on their terms, which is conversation. You throw them off balance. You ask why they hate the country. You ask why they hate children. You ask why they hate prosperity. You ask why they hate the Constitution. Etc. You don't debate them on the merits of their arguments. They'll garble back some nonsense. And as long as we still have a court of public opinion in this country, it will be the judge. If they decide some complete nonsense about how the Constitution "actually allows us to do whatever the fuck we want" great, then so be it. But you don't play on their terms.

People are emotional. Facts don't matter. So you use what you have to turn emotion on your side. To appeal to that lizard brain receptor. You don't have to appeal to the mom in suburban Philadelphia who is worried about illegal migrant hordes raping her children. She's an idiot. She's gone. But you show the rest of available swing voters how our most basic national values are under attack by allowing the opposition to be the complete unhinged assholes they are. And once the economy tanks like a stone dropped into a lake, as it surely will, you capitalize.
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I have a different perspective when it comes to engaging with posters like Silence and Ram. ..

First, they contribute to the board by sharing the latest views and "news" emanating from the ooze in the right wing fever swamp

Second, it provides an opportunity to correct the record with the actual facts

Third, there may be some lurkers who may be duped and influenced by the misinformation being spread. Confronting the misinformation may help some lurkers avoid being duped.
 
heelinhell said:
I have a different perspective when it comes to engaging with posters like Silence and Ram. ..

First, they contribute to the board by sharing the latest views and "news" emanating from the ooze in the right wing fever swamp

Second, it provides an opportunity to correct the record with the actual facts

Third, there may be some lurkers who may be duped and influenced by the misinformation being spread. Confronting the misinformation may help some lurkers avoid being duped.
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This is also a good take.
I guess I just don’t have the patience.

However, if you do engage with them, I’d like it better if you “talk at them” like Mendo suggests instead of trying to engage them in some semblance of a decent conversation… which in itself sort of lends a bit of credibility to their side. Instead, I’d rather see someone give them a good solid beat down of a talking to, the way Manhattanheel used to do to the dookies on the old IC basketball board back in the day.

But like I say, I just don’t have the time, energy or inclination to engage with idiocy like that. Even if giving them a good lashing.
 
Centerpiece said:
This is also a good take.
I guess I just don’t have the patience.

However, if you do engage with them, I’d like it better if you “talk at them” like Mendo suggests instead of trying to engage them in some semblance of a decent conversation… which in itself sort of lends a bit of credibility to their side. Instead, I’d rather see someone give them a good solid beat down of a talking to, the way Manhattanheel used to do to the dookies on the old IC basketball board back in the day.

But like I say, I just don’t have the time, energy or inclination to engage with idiocy like that. Even if giving them a good lashing.
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Sometimes you have to set them up to knock them down. "You catch more flies with sugar..."
 
finesse said:
Sometimes you have to set them up to knock them down. "You catch more flies with sugar..."
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Always true. I’m just old and impatient and no energy to engage with the idiots. However I do like it when you guys will take them down a peg or two with clear, factual, persuasive arguments for the good side. But I like it even better when somebody does it with a solid tongue lashing that leaves marks on em.
 
Centerpiece said:
Always true. I’m just old and impatient and no energy to engage with the idiots. However I do like it when you guys will take them down a peg or two with clear, factual, persuasive arguments for the good side. But I like it even better when somebody does it with a solid tongue lashing that leaves marks on em.
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The risk if you pull their pants down and give 'em a good spanking is that they will run away and then I lose my source for becoming aware of the latest "news" from earth 2.

I don't want to visit Breitbart, Fox News, Newsmax, OAN, 8chan,and Stormfront to get the latest from earth 2 :(
 
So, if you hire a nanny or an au pair you have "disdain" for your children? My children turned out just fine.

Pete should have never taken the position of Trans Sec. in 2021 if he knew he was going to take off two months during the supply chain crisis or at least disclosed this to the Senate during his confirmation. He did go on a tour supporting the movie during his break but I'll have to find it when I have the time. I remember there was a funny segment on Gutfeld about it.
 
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