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To go back to your previous hypothetical- dems giving credit for Donald Trump curing cancer will never happen because Donald Trump will never cure cancer.
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General 2028 Election
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They aren’t wrong.
3 out of the last 4 that held that office sure couldn’t speak in complete sentences.
And yeah, that’s a very sad, very low bar.
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Spending time in Iowa.
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African-American support for Mayor Pete is a major issue. In general, African-Americans tend to be much more socially conservative than all the white liberals (like the bubble here) who love Pete.
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I agree when it comes to Pete being gay...sad but true
but what are the other socially conservative issues that African Americans hold dear ?
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Traditional family values (as it relates to marriage, gender, etc), strong faith, patriotism.
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I always love when people who I can't possibly imagine ever having spent much time at all with black folks tell us what black people hold dear.
Pete being gay is not his issue with anyone who would vote for a Democrat. It's just not. It's an issue for some of those who would never vote for a Democrat. Pete's issue with the black community is that he has zilch in common with them and it shows. He can't connect to them on a social level. He comes across as "generic white guy" to anyone paying attention. He's smart, articulate, and well meaning, but he is boring as fuck and has zero charisma.
Pete has never been and will never be invited to the cookout.
Pete being gay is not his issue with anyone who would vote for a Democrat. It's just not. It's an issue for some of those who would never vote for a Democrat. Pete's issue with the black community is that he has zilch in common with them and it shows. He can't connect to them on a social level. He comes across as "generic white guy" to anyone paying attention. He's smart, articulate, and well meaning, but he is boring as fuck and has zero charisma.
Pete has never been and will never be invited to the cookout.
Define the “patriotism” that is part of “traditional family values.”
To your point.
Five Myths About Black Voters
Black voters are not uniformly liberal, writes Brennan Center fellow Theodore R. Johnson.
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Myth #5 is pretty weak but it does inadvertently support my anecdotal experience and thesis...To your point.
Five Myths About Black Voters
Black voters are not uniformly liberal, writes Brennan Center fellow Theodore R. Johnson.www.brennancenter.org
The data I’ve seen is that homosexuality in a political candidate is a very slight negative for black voters. Whether it is Pete or any other gay candidate, it would be an issue but only a slight issue. Certainly there would be bigger issues in the general election with conservatives.
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*There is a Politics 2025-2026 thread... and a Trump 2028 thread already going. But not a thread that I can find exclusively about 2028. (Not EVEN thinking about Trump 2028... unless Lara or one of the boys wanna take a stab.)
There are already a few threads which dance around the 2028 prez election naming Dems like: Newsom, Shapiro, BeShear, Whitmer, Mayor Pete etc. (Maybe even Coop or Jeff Jack???)
Who ya got on the Pub side? Rubio? JD?
Who ya got on your Dem ticket? Why not Tim Walz? (Too tarnished from 2024 loss?) I must say I do like Andy...
*Mods: if this thread is redundant, kill it or merge it. Thanks.
ETA, yes, I know, we've still got 3 fucking years to think about it, but...
There are already a few threads which dance around the 2028 prez election naming Dems like: Newsom, Shapiro, BeShear, Whitmer, Mayor Pete etc. (Maybe even Coop or Jeff Jack???)
Who ya got on the Pub side? Rubio? JD?
Who ya got on your Dem ticket? Why not Tim Walz? (Too tarnished from 2024 loss?) I must say I do like Andy...
*Mods: if this thread is redundant, kill it or merge it. Thanks.
ETA, yes, I know, we've still got 3 fucking years to think about it, but...
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Whoever runs as a Democrat 2028 needs to drop identity politics and start getting in touch with the poor and working class. Or we're going to keep losing.
Great article ...
-> ‘The Interview’: Robert Reich Thinks the Baby Boomers Blew It
"We see more and more big money undermining our democratic institutions."
"Some Democrats don’t want to tell the true story of concentrated wealth and power because they are drinking at the same trough as Republicans."
Great article ...
-> ‘The Interview’: Robert Reich Thinks the Baby Boomers Blew It"We see more and more big money undermining our democratic institutions."
"Some Democrats don’t want to tell the true story of concentrated wealth and power because they are drinking at the same trough as Republicans."
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Agree 100%. I like Andy, and also like the idea of dropping the identity politics. One can still support women, minorities and LGBTQ without making those the sole issues on whose hill you shall die on. DEI? Sure, but at this point, it doesn't need much more than a mention nor making any campaign promises. Abortion? Sure, lamentations can be made on the demise of Roe, but making it the keystone of the platform? Nah. Another hill the Dems need to avoid dying on.Whoever runs as a Democrat 2028 needs to drop identity politics and start getting in touch with the poor and working class. Or we're going to keep losing.
Great article ...
"We see more and more big money undermining our democratic institutions."
"Some Democrats don’t want to tell the true story of concentrated wealth and power because they are drinking at the same trough as Republicans."
Dems need to tap back in on the Build Back Better message, infrastructure, jobs which make sense in this world today.
Also - why not tap into a couple Libertarian planks like: No more foreign wars; Smaller Government *Yes* but doing it with some common sense and not with a chainsaw; Expression and Communication: Support full freedom of expression and oppose government censorship, regulation, or control of communications media; Self-Ownership: Individuals own their bodies and have rights over them that other individuals, groups, and governments may not violate; Personal relationships: Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals... etc.
All of those things are in the Libertarian Platform - those are some of the MAIN PLANKS.
The PUBs have abandoned ALL of those. Other than smaller Government and tax breaks, the PUBS have not been so friendly to the Libertarians. The Dems should pick up that slack and vacuum up those issues and run on that stuff.
Enough of this "Defund the Police" and "Just because Bruce Jenner won the Decathlon as a man, doesn't mean he can't enter a footrace against women after a genital reorg." Enough of that crap. It's already been determined that issue affects 0.0001% of the population, so why die on that hill?
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Well I don't agree with Reich on everything in that piece... but there are reasons we got Trump for 2 friggin terms. It's either the because Dems fucked up by running 2 women, or because of "Other stuff". I'd like to think it's because of "other stuff".
But as to the OP: I still like Andy...
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Governor Beshear addresses speculation about national ambitions Governor Beshear addresses speculation about national ambitions
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Road to 2028: Beshear makes splash in Vogue as speculations rise over White House run
Road to 2028: Beshear makes splash in Vogue as speculations rise over White House run
BY AMANCAI BIRABEN
ABIRABEN@HERALD-LEADER.COM
2 days ago
Editor’s Note: Gov. Andy Beshear is increasingly in the spotlight as a potential 2028 Democratic presidential candidate. The Herald-Leader believes Kentuckians should know what he’s saying and doing, where he is traveling and what’s being said nationally about the two-term governor. Our reporters will publish a regular round-up of the latest news and headlines about Beshear.
This is the first installment.
Fresh off a visit to the early primary state of South Carolina, Gov. Andy Beshear is continuing to generate buzz back home in Kentucky and beyond.
Most recently, he was featured in a Vogue magazine profile, received praise from a writer in Slate Magazine as a “Democratic star” and touted his state and national credentials at a July 22 Kentucky Chamber of Commerce luncheon.
Though a presidential run is still just speculation, Beshear’s rise to national relevance is stirring anticipation as he continues to make the rounds to audiences near and far.
Vogue: ‘Hyper-organized, well-rehearsed’
Beshear was featured in Vogue magazine on July 21, with photos capturing his children playing baseball and the first lady petting their dog, Winnie, inside the Governor’s Mansion in Frankfort.
Calling the governor’s style of leadership “hyper-organized, well-rehearsed, on message, and largely drama-free,” the writer praised Beshear’s wide reach among the Democratic Party and his centrist appeal.
It also pointed out that his genteel, milder affect may not hold up to national scrutiny, with former Ohio Gov. John Kasich noting “he needs to demonstrate some strength.”
At a Chamber of Commerce event in Lexington the day after publication, Beshear was met with laughs when he said he never anticipated appearing in a fashion magazine.
“I think I still had the very first suit I ever had when I met my wife,” he said. “And she probably burned it.”
Adding to his surprise that the high-fashion publication took an interest in his modest attire, Beshear poked fun at his own everyday wear amid the glamorous spread.
“I might be the first person in Vogue to wear Gap jeans,” he tweeted.
Slate: ‘Anti-death penalty hero’
Slate Magazine also took the opportunity to shed light on the Kentucky governor late last week, referring to him as an “anti-death penalty hero.”
The label referenced a recent debate between Republican Attorney General Russell Coleman, an advocate for capital punishment in the state, and Beshear, himself a former AG not unilaterally opposed to the death penalty, over the life of death row inmate Ralph Baze.
While Coleman called for the execution of Baze, who was convicted of killing two police officers in 1992, Beshear pointed out the state “does not currently have, nor can it obtain, the drugs necessary to carry out lethal injection executions.”
The most recent use of capital punishment in Kentucky took place in 2008.
In 2010, Franklin Circuit Court Judge Phillip Shepherd halted the death penalty when he issued an injunction over a range of concerns about executions, including the executing intellectually disabled people. Since taking office, Coleman has worked to get the punishment reinstated.
“The fate of capital punishment may be determined in places like Kentucky, places I call death penalty ‘swing states,’” writes Austin Sarat, a political scientist at Amherst, in Slate.
Kentucky Chamber of Commerce
Beshear spoke to a room full of powerful Kentuckians Tuesday at the Kentucky Chamber of Commerce luncheon about his goals for the Bluegrass State and his concerns for the nation.
He greeted friends and colleagues as he reflected on his state’s economic momentum amid national policy turmoil.
“What I really hope is that we’ve created the jobs where any Kentucky kid can dream as big as they want and chase that job right here in Kentucky,” Beshear said.
He reiterated his commitment to fighting for free child care in order to draw a newer and larger workforce to the state, and being able to modernize Kentucky’s economy while staying true to the state’s values.
Beshear also criticized President Donald Trump’s unpredictable tariff policies and the possible defunding of FEMA, asserting its importance in light of the deadly Texas floods earlier this month.
Road to 2028: Beshear makes splash in Vogue as speculations rise over White House run
BY AMANCAI BIRABEN
ABIRABEN@HERALD-LEADER.COM
2 days ago
Editor’s Note: Gov. Andy Beshear is increasingly in the spotlight as a potential 2028 Democratic presidential candidate. The Herald-Leader believes Kentuckians should know what he’s saying and doing, where he is traveling and what’s being said nationally about the two-term governor. Our reporters will publish a regular round-up of the latest news and headlines about Beshear.
This is the first installment.
Fresh off a visit to the early primary state of South Carolina, Gov. Andy Beshear is continuing to generate buzz back home in Kentucky and beyond.
Most recently, he was featured in a Vogue magazine profile, received praise from a writer in Slate Magazine as a “Democratic star” and touted his state and national credentials at a July 22 Kentucky Chamber of Commerce luncheon.
Though a presidential run is still just speculation, Beshear’s rise to national relevance is stirring anticipation as he continues to make the rounds to audiences near and far.
Vogue: ‘Hyper-organized, well-rehearsed’
Beshear was featured in Vogue magazine on July 21, with photos capturing his children playing baseball and the first lady petting their dog, Winnie, inside the Governor’s Mansion in Frankfort.
Calling the governor’s style of leadership “hyper-organized, well-rehearsed, on message, and largely drama-free,” the writer praised Beshear’s wide reach among the Democratic Party and his centrist appeal.
It also pointed out that his genteel, milder affect may not hold up to national scrutiny, with former Ohio Gov. John Kasich noting “he needs to demonstrate some strength.”
At a Chamber of Commerce event in Lexington the day after publication, Beshear was met with laughs when he said he never anticipated appearing in a fashion magazine.
“I think I still had the very first suit I ever had when I met my wife,” he said. “And she probably burned it.”
Adding to his surprise that the high-fashion publication took an interest in his modest attire, Beshear poked fun at his own everyday wear amid the glamorous spread.
“I might be the first person in Vogue to wear Gap jeans,” he tweeted.
Slate: ‘Anti-death penalty hero’
Slate Magazine also took the opportunity to shed light on the Kentucky governor late last week, referring to him as an “anti-death penalty hero.”
The label referenced a recent debate between Republican Attorney General Russell Coleman, an advocate for capital punishment in the state, and Beshear, himself a former AG not unilaterally opposed to the death penalty, over the life of death row inmate Ralph Baze.
While Coleman called for the execution of Baze, who was convicted of killing two police officers in 1992, Beshear pointed out the state “does not currently have, nor can it obtain, the drugs necessary to carry out lethal injection executions.”
The most recent use of capital punishment in Kentucky took place in 2008.
In 2010, Franklin Circuit Court Judge Phillip Shepherd halted the death penalty when he issued an injunction over a range of concerns about executions, including the executing intellectually disabled people. Since taking office, Coleman has worked to get the punishment reinstated.
“The fate of capital punishment may be determined in places like Kentucky, places I call death penalty ‘swing states,’” writes Austin Sarat, a political scientist at Amherst, in Slate.
Kentucky Chamber of Commerce
Beshear spoke to a room full of powerful Kentuckians Tuesday at the Kentucky Chamber of Commerce luncheon about his goals for the Bluegrass State and his concerns for the nation.
He greeted friends and colleagues as he reflected on his state’s economic momentum amid national policy turmoil.
“What I really hope is that we’ve created the jobs where any Kentucky kid can dream as big as they want and chase that job right here in Kentucky,” Beshear said.
He reiterated his commitment to fighting for free child care in order to draw a newer and larger workforce to the state, and being able to modernize Kentucky’s economy while staying true to the state’s values.
Beshear also criticized President Donald Trump’s unpredictable tariff policies and the possible defunding of FEMA, asserting its importance in light of the deadly Texas floods earlier this month.
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You mean, the Dem focus on identity politics? I agree with Centerpiece that "One can still support women, minorities and LGBTQ without making those the sole issues on whose hill you shall die on"
We can still support all the aforementioned causes, but we can also do it without abandoning the fight against wealth and power inequality. The message of Reich is a more inclusive message and should bring in current MAGA folks brainwashed into believing immigrants and trans people are making their lives miserable. It's the massively wealthy (and therefore powerful) they need to be worried about.
Question now is, which Democratic candidate can deliver this message? Andy seems good to me too, Pete as well. Maybe Gretchen, but some work to do there.