Going after Greenland

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When your only "defenses" of Trump's behavior is that "surely he can't be this insanely stupid" and "he's just pulling a fast one on liberals to misdirect them, he can't really be serious because that would be insanely stupid" then you've already lost the argument, imo. Even if he's not serious it is still royally pissing off our closest allies and turning them against us and isolating us, so it's still a stupid policy no matter what.
 
superrific said:
Why did they pick Usha? Someone told them Greenlanders have brown skin. Usha has brown skin. Perfect!

[I am confident this was their thought process]
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I assume they are going to manufacture some kerfluffle then we will have to invade on the pretense of defending usha Vance’s honor.
 
superrific said:
Why did they pick Usha? Someone told them Greenlanders have brown skin. Usha has brown skin. Perfect!

[I am confident this was their thought process]
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I had no idea: (1) Greenland has a native population, (2) the native population comprises almost 100% of the island's population, and (3) the natives are brown. Greenland is so much closer to Europe than Asia that I assumed the whites would have populated the island first. But I guess the Vikings moved on to greener pastures and left the Intuits to have Greenland for themselves. If only they knew about rare earth minerals in 1300.
 
Calheel said:
I had no idea: (1) Greenland has a native population, (2) the native population comprises almost 100% of the island's population, and (3) the natives are brown. Greenland is so much closer to Europe than Asia that I assumed the whites would have populated the island first. But I guess the Vikings moved on to greener pastures and left the Intuits to have Greenland for themselves. If only they knew about rare earth minerals in 1300.
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1. At high latitudes, the circumference of the Earth isn't that large. But that's only a bit of the story
2. Europeans weren't white when Greenland was first settled, I think. I don't know the exact timeline, but google says that the genes for whiteness first emerged about 14K years ago, and ChatGPT says that white skin among Europeans became widespread and prevalent about 5000 years ago, definitely after Greenland was settled.
3. Migration to Greenland could occur by foot during ice ages. Pretty sure Europeans would have to take boats.
4. The island was settled way, way before the Vikings were even in the picture.
5. Greenland probably didn't offer much to the Vikings. Even during the medieval warming period, there were no trees. And without trees, there are no boats and houses/shelters are hard to make.
 
superrific said:
1. At high latitudes, the circumference of the Earth isn't that large. But that's only a bit of the story
2. Europeans weren't white when Greenland was first settled, I think. I don't know the exact timeline, but google says that the genes for whiteness first emerged about 14K years ago, and ChatGPT says that white skin among Europeans became widespread and prevalent about 5000 years ago, definitely after Greenland was settled.
3. Migration to Greenland could occur by foot during ice ages. Pretty sure Europeans would have to take boats.
4. The island was settled way, way before the Vikings were even in the picture.
5. Greenland probably didn't offer much to the Vikings. Even during the medieval warming period, there were no trees. And without trees, there are no boats and houses/shelters are hard to make.
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Wikipedia says Greenland wasn't settled until much more recently. Apparently, they have had waves of migration to the island, but all of it fairly recently.

I don't think anyone crossed from Asia to North America until 20,000 or so years ago. And my understanding is that the glaciers over the interior were far too high to cross, so the migration hugged the coastline until the people got south of the glaciers and could move into the interior. I don't think they would have been able to move to the east over Canada until maybe 8000 years ago or so. I guess that could get them into Greenland by 5000 years ago, but Wiki didn't mention it.
 
Calheel said:
Wikipedia says Greenland wasn't settled until much more recently. Apparently, they have had waves of migration to the island, but all of it fairly recently.

I don't think anyone crossed from Asia to North America until 20,000 or so years ago. And my understanding is that the glaciers over the interior were far too high to cross, so the migration hugged the coastline until the people got south of the glaciers and could move into the interior. I don't think they would have been able to move to the east over Canada until maybe 8000 years ago or so. I guess that could get them into Greenland by 5000 years ago, but Wiki didn't mention it.
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ChatGPT says that Inuits got to Greenland about 2500 BCE.

Anyway, the bigger issue for the Vikings at least was that Greenland offered them very little.

I wonder also just how "white" the Vikings were -- by which I mean how likely would they be to have dark skinned children with a dark skinned partner. Skin color is polygenic. One can imagine a gene pool taking time to "saturating" with skin color genes -- by which I mean the prominence of light-skinned alleles would rise over time, especially in relatively isolated communities. So if a person has 90% white skin color alleles, the offspring might generally on average be whiter than someone with 70% white skin color alleles, even if the person him/herself has similar skin shade.

As my paragraph above likely demonstrates, I know a little about human genetics and anthropology. A little. Not nothing. Not enough to have an intelligent conversation with someone who knows. Anyone here able to correct me, please do.

[and yes, I know -- whiteness is a construct. The conversation here is just about skin color]
 
This mat not be open content so I'll paste the abstract...

Abstract​

Greenland and the eastern part of the Canadian Arctic were populated in the Holocene by three main human groups, the bearers of the cultures of Independence I, Saqqaq, and pre-Dorset, who appeared in the region of the Gulf of Nares c.5000 BP. These represented different types of adaptations close to the culture Denby (Alaska) and the Arctic Small Tool tradition. The pre-Dorset culture developed at the Canadian Arctic Archipelago. One of the Paleoeskimo groups, the bearers of the culture Saqqaq, settled in the western part of the island, while the people of Independence I invaded the northernmost part and settled in the Peary Land. It seems that migrations were connected with the spread of musk oxen. The Independence I persisted in Greenland only during several centuries. Paleoeskimo groups inhabited this land for 3500 years and seem to have disappeared when the bearers of the Thule culture (the ancestors of modern Inuit) invaded this land around AD 1200.
 


Trump seems to be struggling a bit in this clip but in any event it is weird to say that the VP’s wife “loves the concept of Greenland”.
 


Did he forget or not want to embarrass Trump by knowing her name? Or was he reaching for “Second Lady” and couldn’t recall the title (for some reason that was my impression because he started with “the … uh …” suggesting a title rather than a name).
 
Callatoroy said:
No, the world isn’t laughing now. They were laughing at Biden falling up steps and off stages, and being led by the hand like a toddler. And the left’s charade that Biden was coherent. The world is now going WTF because they don’t know what to think but you don’t laugh like trump is a fool and then capitulate like Canada, Mexico, Panama, denmark and hamas has. Don’t take my comments to mean I think they acted out of respect for trump’s leadership, rather than a fear of FAFO. But that isn’t laughing.
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Nah...we're laughing.
 

Greenland to Trump: No, we didn’t invite you​

A delegation that includes second lady Usha Vance is slated to arrive on the island on Thursday.


“Greenland did not invite an American delegation to come visit this week, the self-ruling island’s government said Monday, flatly denying a claim made by President Donald Trump.

Usha Vance, the wife of Vice President JD Vance, will land in the Danish territory on Thursday, alongside National Security Adviser Mike Waltz and Energy Secretary Chris Wright.

… Trump told reporters Monday that Greenlandic “officials” requested Washington send a team to the island. “People from Greenland are asking us to go there,” he said.

But Greenland’s government said that was false.

“Just for the record, Naalakkersuisut, the government of Greenland, has not extended any invitations for any visits, neither private nor official,” the government said in a post on Facebook. …”
 
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