Going after Greenland

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superrific said:
The project at Kvanefjeld would be greenlighted, and there would be security provided for the mining. Whether that's US troops or private contractors, that would happen in short order, I think. And it would poison the human habitat there, to say nothing of the marine life
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But is that really taking over Greenland?
 
Calheel said:
But is that really taking over Greenland?
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I don't know but it can't happen as long as Denmark retains sovereignty. A compromise could be that Trump can have all of inland Greenland, where the ice is. So much room to put his name on the globe. The parts where people live and mines could be drilled would stay with Denmark.
 
superrific said:
I don't know but it can't happen as long as Denmark retains sovereignty. A compromise could be that Trump can have all of inland Greenland, where the ice is. So much room to put his name on the globe. The parts where people live and mines could be drilled would stay with Denmark.
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I assume there will be some sort of mineral rights deal worked as a compromise.
 


Q: The premier of Greenland said today, 'We prefer to stay with Denmark.

'TRUMP: Who said that?

Q: The premier of Greenland

TRUMP: Well, that's their problem. I disagree with him. I don't know who he is. Don't know anything about him. But that's gonna be a big problem for him.
 
Calheel said:
Unlike the "Gulf of America," this one he cannot get by executive order. He actually needs Congress if he wants it to be part of America.
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If he takes it and calls it ours, well, I don’t know what difference it makes. Who is going to stop it?

Will Europe just wait it out for Trump to leave? What if Congress agrees at a future date to add it?
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
If he takes it and calls it ours, well, I don’t know what difference it makes. Who is going to stop it?

Will Europe just wait it out for Trump to leave? What if Congress agrees at a future date to add it?
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Not sure Europe could just wait it out when the fascism in the US now runs deep through the government and society.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
If he takes it and calls it ours, well, I don’t know what difference it makes. Who is going to stop it?

Will Europe just wait it out for Trump to leave? What if Congress agrees at a future date to add it?
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But what does it mean to call it ours? On a day to day basis, what changes? What laws apply? Who is enforcing those laws? Where do the tax revenues go? Who administers the laws?

Annexing a territory is a lot more complicated than changing Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America on certain maps.
 
Calheel said:
But what does it mean to call it ours? On a day to day basis, what changes? What laws apply? Who is enforcing those laws? Where do the tax revenues go? Who administers the laws?

Annexing a territory is a lot more complicated than changing Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America on certain maps.
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I don’t know. Ask Trump.

At minimum he would probably impose rules or limits on foreign armies there.

Do you think Denmark is just going to sit back and allow that? Do you think they will say, “well technically the US constitution doesn’t allow it so all is good”?
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I don’t know. Ask Trump.

At minimum he would probably impose rules or limits on foreign armies there.

Do you think Denmark is just going to sit back and allow that? Do you think they will say, “well technically the US constitution doesn’t allow it so all is good”?
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I'm not sure what your last sentence means. Allow what? Trump imposing rules on foreign armies in Greenland?

Denmark can only use diplomacy. It is not as though Denmark can challenge the US militarily.

But constitutional limits also have significance on the homefront. If Trump wants to annex, he needs all the levers of US power to agree. If he can't get Congress and the courts to cooperate, there is a limit to what he can do with his imperialistic desires. Surely he could launch some kind of military operation for a limited period of time. But then what?
 

'No such thing as a better colonizer': Inuit emphatically reject U.S. takeover of Greenland

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Inuit advocacy groups, as well as Greenlanders who live in Canada, are emphatically opposed to American designs on their homeland. And, they say, they're tired of being used as geopolitical chess pieces by powerful people in faraway capitals.

"We want to say loud and clear that there's no such thing as a better colonizer," said Sara Olsvig, chair of the Inuit Circumpolar Council and a former member of both the Greenlandic and Danish parliaments.

"We have already been through colonization and we know what it means when the interests of others and more powerful nations and peoples affects us negatively and when decisions are taken thousands of kilometres away from us."

Trump's desire to control Greenland, whether though purchase, diplomacy or some kind of military action, appears to wholly disregard the fact that Greenlanders overwhelmingly do not want to be Americans, according to a recent poll from the Verian Group. Most also don't want to be Danes, according to the same poll.

Olsvig said even though Inuit want more self-determination, they also want to see strong international forums such as the Arctic Council.

"We've been able to work together based on mutual respect. We've been able to maintain a zone of peace in the Arctic even through difficult times before," she said. "And I think it lies upon every leader who has something to say in the Arctic to stand strong on those values, on on calling for diplomacy to work."
 
The day will come when DJT is no longer POTUS. Unless our democracy is totally dead before then, a Democrat may even one day be POTUS again. My fear is when that day comes, our allies will never trust us again. Anyone can screw up once (2016) but for our country to put him back in after the shitshow the first time…I’d never roll the dice on America again if I were them.
 
RockyMtnHoo said:
The day will come when DJT is no longer POTUS. Unless our democracy is totally dead before then, a Democrat may even one day be POTUS again. My fear is when that day comes, our allies will never trust us again. Anyone can screw up once (2016) but for our country to put him back in after the shitshow the first time…I’d never roll the dice on America again if I were them.
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Agree.
 
RockyMtnHoo said:
The day will come when DJT is no longer POTUS. Unless our democracy is totally dead before then, a Democrat may even one day be POTUS again. My fear is when that day comes, our allies will never trust us again. Anyone can screw up once (2016) but for our country to put him back in after the shitshow the first time…I’d never roll the dice on America again if I were them.
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“Ever” is a long time, particularly in the realm of post-industrial international politics. We trust, and have been allied, with Germany and Japan and have for decades.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Why in the heck would Trump want mexico? He's trying to get rid of as many of them as he can. I can't imagine he would fight a war to get 130 million more Mexicans into the United States.
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In case you haven't noticed, Trump took Venezuela while simultaneously booting out every Venezuelan he can find
 
RockyMtnHoo said:
The day will come when DJT is no longer POTUS. Unless our democracy is totally dead before then, a Democrat may even one day be POTUS again. My fear is when that day comes, our allies will never trust us again. Anyone can screw up once (2016) but for our country to put him back in after the shitshow the first time…I’d never roll the dice on America again if I were them.
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Yep. I've thought this for a good while. Even if Democrats sweep the 2028 elections for both POTUS and Congress it's going to be many years before any foreign nation will trust us again, because they're all now aware that a MAGA loon might come back into power in 2032 or 2036 and start screwing everything up again. Trump is wrecking America's international reputation and credibility for a long, long time, and it's going to be hard for us to get it back, if ever.
 
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RockyMtnHoo said:
The day will come when DJT is no longer POTUS. Unless our democracy is totally dead before then, a Democrat may even one day be POTUS again. My fear is when that day comes, our allies will never trust us again. Anyone can screw up once (2016) but for our country to put him back in after the shitshow the first time…I’d never roll the dice on America again if I were them.
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I stopped letting people (who don't already know) that I am American. There is too much animosity to let that out.
 
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