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This board has no ability to think beyond this week. This is an America first issue.
You have to be fucking kidding. The person unable to think beyond this week is you. That's why all of your political beliefs do a 180 when immediate convenience demands it. I have seen no evidence of you having any intellectual commitments stronger than your blind and unfailing support for Trump and all that he does.

And you use the time-worn bullshit qualifier of, "I don't like what he tweets." Yeah, maybe that was a viable move before he started wars and wrecked the Justice Department and perverted the constitution and all the other shit he has done. He is the most destructive president in US history and it's not even close. So tweeting isn't the fucking problem
 
Iran is nothing like NK. Not anywhere close. Not in the same universe. As proven by history. But we sure as hell can learn from the mistake of letting NK have nukes and prevent it from happening again.

The decision to blockade Iran’s ports rather than continuing to bomb - good or bad?

You know what else isnt conjecture? The FACT that the agreement didn’t even touch on their missle program and that they had US permission to enrich uranium after 2030. So Iran has a delivery method that can reach 2500 miles. You guys are in pretzel mode dancing around that.

Let’s set aside all common sense for a second. Let’s assume Iran demanding weeks of notice and restricting certain areas from inspection didn’t give the impression that they would cheat. Iran abides by the agreement and spends the 15 years just working on developing icbms, which they did. It’s now 2030 and they now have been given the green light by the US to enrich uranium. It want take long to get it highly enriched and they have the missle capability to hit Europe. What now? What do you think Israel does?
Why do you keeping lying about the terms of Obama's deal? And then you call us dishonest or weak or whatever other self-projecting insult you lob with regularity.

I don't have a pretzel mode at all. I'm not worried at all about Iran having a nuke on a ballistic missile. Why not? Because the Soviet Union -> Russia has way more of them. China too. North Korea has some. And yet nobody has ever fired one. It's almost as if nuclear deterrents work.

Your fever swamp dreams about Iran are just pure anti-Muslim bias.
 
“Dancing around that” = “already explained but I didn’t like the factual response laid at my feet.”
 
You know what else isnt conjecture? The FACT that the agreement didn’t even touch on their missle program and that they had US permission to enrich uranium after 2030. So Iran has a delivery method that can reach 2500 miles. You guys are in pretzel mode dancing around that.

Let’s set aside all common sense for a second. Let’s assume Iran demanding weeks of notice and restricting certain areas from inspection didn’t give the impression that they would cheat. Iran abides by the agreement and spends the 15 years just working on developing icbms, which they did. It’s now 2030 and they now have been given the green light by the US to enrich uranium. It want take long to get it highly enriched and they have the missle capability to hit Europe. What now? What do you think Israel does?
Jesus, this 2031 bullshit. As if there would never have been any renegotiation/renewal of the agreement had the fucktard in charge not ripped it up. We'd have had 13 years to monitor developments and diplomatically work out solutions going forward while not turning Iran into a heavily-sanctioned pariah state, that increasingly felt the need to lash out, at the behest of the said fucktard's blackmailers and bribers in Tel Aviv and Riyadh.

And Holy crap with the nonsense about them actually using a nuke. Despots who rule enormous countries are not street-level lunatics. They are devious, Machiavellian operators who enjoy the attainment and possession of power. They often use apocalyptic terminology to fire up their power base against real or perceived enemies - see, for instance Donald John Drumpf - but they aren't about to actually do anything that would result in their swift and assured demise. Believing otherwise is childish, Manichean thinking.

Iran will likely have nuclear weapons at some point, as will other theocratic regimes. This idiotic war makes that all but a certainty since they will view possession of them as the only possible means of not being subjected to the will of larger powers, and we have neither the ability nor the will to prevent this indefinitely. It is so far down the list of things I worry about personally or for my children or grandchildren that it barely registers. It is several orders of magnitude lower than the threat this clownshow regime in our country poses to our future, and the fact that so many of my fellow citizens are so fucking stupid they support these absolute incompetent fools.
 
It isn’t just Israel’s fight? How many Americans died on Oct 7th? How many have died at the hands of Iran’s actions since its revolution? How many more times does an Oct 7th have to happen for you to realize that you can’t reason with people like that? They would literally stone you and your partner / husband to death. Why would you not want to remove that mindset from the earth? Why do you think it’s ok for people like that to be able to hold the world’s economy hostage and have possession of a nuclear bomb? You have absolutely zero understanding of the level of evil we are dealing with or either you are so desensitized to it you can’t process it.
Bruh, if I thought it was OK to remove people from the earth because they would stone me to death for being gay, Id have been an American serial killer decades ago. You act as if the US isnt rife with the precise kind of hatred you assign only to Iran.

Has Iran ever done anything as directly to the US as Israel did with the USS Liberty? I dont see you wanting to rid the planet of them for that.
 
I don’t see that. How do you fight it? They are manipulating you just as they hope to. Kill your son/daughter/spouse and then run hide under a hospital so you can’t strike back. Over, and over, and over. At some point enough is enough. Apparently you guys are ok with continuing to take it because you haven’t addressed it other than to just say it isn’t right and blame the victim.
You continually blame Dems for the pain wrought by Republicans so you definitely seem to be an expert in victim blaming.
 
Jesus, this 2031 bullshit. As if there would never have been any renegotiation/renewal of the agreement had the fucktard in charge not ripped it up. We'd have had 13 years to monitor developments and diplomatically work out solutions going forward while not turning Iran into a heavily-sanctioned pariah state, that increasingly felt the need to lash out, at the behest of the said fucktard's blackmailers and bribers in Tel Aviv and Riyadh.

And Holy crap with the nonsense about them actually using a nuke. Despots who rule enormous countries are not street-level lunatics. They are devious, Machiavellian operators who enjoy the attainment and possession of power. They often use apocalyptic terminology to fire up their power base against real or perceived enemies - see, for instance Donald John Drumpf - but they aren't about to actually do anything that would result in their swift and assured demise. Believing otherwise is childish, Manichean thinking.

Iran will likely have nuclear weapons at some point, as will other theocratic regimes. This idiotic war makes that all but a certainty since they will view possession of them as the only possible means of not being subjected to the will of larger powers, and we have neither the ability nor the will to prevent this indefinitely. It is so far down the list of things I worry about personally or for my children or grandchildren that it barely registers. It is several orders of magnitude lower than the threat this clownshow regime in our country poses to our future, and the fact that so many of my fellow citizens are so fucking stupid they support these absolute incompetent fools.
And you know that there would have been a renegotiation how? Why would Iran ever agree to renegotiate something the US said it could do?
As far as Israel going at it alone? No.

How about 60% enriched uranium and enough to build 10 bombs?
 
Bruh, if I thought it was OK to remove people from the earth because they would stone me to death for being gay, Id have been an American serial killer decades ago. You act as if the US isnt rife with the precise kind of hatred you assign only to Iran.

Has Iran ever done anything as directly to the US as Israel did with the USS Liberty? I dont see you wanting to rid the planet of them for that.
Your equivocation is certainly on par and fits.
 
And you know that there would have been a renegotiation how? Why would Iran ever agree to renegotiate something the US said it could do?

How about 60% enriched uranium and enough to build 10 bombs?
The JCPOA absolutely did not say Iran was allowed to acquire nukes at any point. In fact, it directly stated that there was a permanent prohibition on Iran ever seeking, developing or acquiring nuclear weapons based on its obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Now it did have a sunset provision at which point the specific limits on uranium enrichment levels enshrined in that agreement would expire. But in no way did it allow them to pursue a nuke at that point and in fact had a provision specifically prohibiting them from ever pursuing one. So you are either lying or terribly mistaken when you say the US said Iran could pursue nuclear weapons at any point.
 
Jesus, this 2031 bullshit. As if there would never have been any renegotiation/renewal of the agreement had the fucktard in charge not ripped it up. We'd have had 13 years to monitor developments and diplomatically work out solutions going forward while not turning Iran into a heavily-sanctioned pariah state, that increasingly felt the need to lash out, at the behest of the said fucktard's blackmailers and bribers in Tel Aviv and Riyadh.

And Holy crap with the nonsense about them actually using a nuke. Despots who rule enormous countries are not street-level lunatics. They are devious, Machiavellian operators who enjoy the attainment and possession of power. They often use apocalyptic terminology to fire up their power base against real or perceived enemies - see, for instance Donald John Drumpf - but they aren't about to actually do anything that would result in their swift and assured demise. Believing otherwise is childish, Manichean thinking.

Iran will likely have nuclear weapons at some point, as will other theocratic regimes. This idiotic war makes that all but a certainty since they will view possession of them as the only possible means of not being subjected to the will of larger powers, and we have neither the ability nor the will to prevent this indefinitely. It is so far down the list of things I worry about personally or for my children or grandchildren that it barely registers. It is several orders of magnitude lower than the threat this clownshow regime in our country poses to our future, and the fact that so many of my fellow citizens are so fucking stupid they support these absolute incompetent fools.
You have demonstrated an incredibly naive and limited grasp of ME history from 1949 - 2026.

If Iran gets a nuke, you can guarantee others will too.

Thankfully we have a president who, at least for now, seems committed to preventing it. Kind of funny that you guys claim far right wing religious nuts are a big threat to the country but don’t see a nuke in the hands of religious nuts whose religion teaches them to kill all non believers as a threat.
 
You have demonstrated an incredibly naive and limited grasp of ME history from 1949 - 2026.

If Iran gets a nuke, you can guarantee others will too.

Thankfully we have a president who, at least for now, seems committed to preventing it. Kind of funny that you guys claim far right wing religious nuts are a big threat to the country but don’t see a nuke in the hands of religious nuts whose religion teaches them to kill all non believers as a threat.
I would love to keep nukes out of the hands of all right wing nuts everywhere, but that would unfortunately require both Israel and the United States to relinquish their stockpiles.
 
I see Calla was posting on this thread after 1 a.m. (same as last weekend), I wonder if he managed to still get up at 5AM and carefully peruse his three dozen periodicals and online news sources for three hours? And then immediately after that (8:19am), back in here to post pretty much nonstop. The man certainly gets a lot done on less than four hours of sleep...
 
And Holy crap with the nonsense about them actually using a nuke. Despots who rule enormous countries are not street-level lunatics. They are devious, Machiavellian operators who enjoy the attainment and possession of power. They often use apocalyptic terminology to fire up their power base against real or perceived enemies - see, for instance Donald John Drumpf - but they aren't about to actually do anything that would result in their swift and assured demise. Believing otherwise is childish, Manichean thinking.
Agreed. In fact, Iran is going to believe that it needs nukes more after this, as a deterrent to a president who can threaten to wipe out "an entire civilization." This is what is so dangerous about this war. In Iran's mind, the United States and Israel can do to them exactly what Callatory is afraid that Iran will do to others. And that makes Iran more dangerous, with or without nukes.
 
Your equivocation is certainly on par and fits.
It isnt an equivocation. It is an answer. You asked if I would want to eliminate from the earth people who would stone me. I factually answered that if I felt that way, I would have been killing Americans long ago. There are certainly plenty here who would do so even now.

Unlike you, i long ago learned the serenity prayer and to accept the things I cannot change. Iran is led by monsters. That is true now and it will be true until all of us leave this planet. There isnt one damned thing rhat can be done other than to make that worse than it already is.
 

Trump Administration Live Updates: G.O.P. Proposes $1 Billion for Security Improvements in Ballroom Project​


Senate Republicans have inserted $1 billion for White House East Wing security enhancements in the immigration enforcement funding bill they hope to rush through Congress this month, setting up a political fight over a ballroom that President Trump has said would be financed with private money.

The leaders of the Judiciary and Homeland Security Committees on Monday released plans for the roughly $70 billion package, which would significantly bolster spending on Immigration and Customs Enforcement and border patrol through the end of Mr. Trump’s term using a party-line legislative process that can skirt a filibuster.
 
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