Grad Students being disappeared by ICE, Visas repealed by Rubio

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‘There's a pattern': Ukrainian man is 3rd to die in ICE custody at Krome Detention Center​


The wife of 44-year-old Maksym Chernyak, who spoke to NBC6 on condition of anonymity, claims her husband was not properly cared for at the Krome Detention Center when he started to feel sick.​


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‘Inhumane conditions’ and death at Miami’s Krome migrant detention center​

Growing reports of overcrowding and mistreatment at Florida’s largest immigration enforcement facility have sparked protests and are yet another example of the use of cruelty as a deterrent​


"... Outrage began to grow precisely with the news of the death of Maksym Chernayak, a 44-year-old Ukrainian who was in the country thanks to the humanitarian parole program, on February 20. As that news broke, so did the death of Genry Ruiz Guillén, a 29-year-old Honduran, who had died on January 23. Both died in the custody of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and had been detained at Krome before being transferred to a hospital where they could not be saved. Details of each case are limited — in that of Ruiz Guillén, there isn’t even an official cause of death — and family members and lawyers are trying to clarify the sequence of events that led to the loss of life to determine whether the deaths could have been prevented.

...But, as things stand in 2025, the situation at Krome only sounded alarm bells when a video went viral in late March. In it, Mexican citizen Osiriss Azahael Vázquez Martínez secretly records the room where he is being held with dozens of other migrants. The images show men sleeping on the floor, on waiting room chairs, or even on a table. The subjects speak in low voices to each other, and a bright white light replacing the sun’s rays makes it impossible to tell the time of day. Then Vázquez Martínez hides under the table and speaks to the camera: “We are at the Krome Detention Center, here in Miami, Florida. We are being held captive. We are in deportation proceedings, but we have been here for more than 20 days; there are people who have been unable to communicate for more than a month. Please help us,” he says, tears beginning to well up in his eyes and his voice trembling with each word. According to the Miami Herald, which spoke with Vázquez Martínez, he was deported on March 14, three days after posting the video on TikTok.

After that video and three others posted by Vázquez Martínez were viewed millions of times, reports of the deplorable conditions at Krome began to dominate local news headlines in South Florida. In all of them, the voices of lawyers, family members, and detainees who have already been deported agree on several points: overcrowding, extreme shortages of food and liquids, lack of sufficient bathrooms, poor hygiene, increasing disease transmission, and poor and slow medical care for those who need it. ..."
 
Seems to be an awful lot of faith in the trump court to act properly being expressed here.

Why is that?
 
Seems to be an awful lot of faith in the trump court to act properly being expressed here.

Why is that?
1. Perhaps just habit. Lawyers are trained and practice with the assumption that the judges aren't complete wingnuts who completely lack rationality. You see even more faith among Supreme Court lawyers, who still have faith that the law binds the Justices and that their legal arguments will carry weight.

2. I believe that, unlike Trump, the Justices do have a bottom. There is a limit to how low they will go. I clerked for a conservative judge, observed conservative judges, and knew many clerks of conservative Justices. That experience tells me that there is a bottom. That said, I do not have experience with Gorsuch or Kavanaugh.

Um, but didn't I say that last year when predicting the outcome of the criminal immunity case? I did. That doesn't prove the lack of a bottom; only that the bottom was lower than I thought. It also doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in my "there is a bottom theory." I acknowledge that.

3. In many ways, the issues that we are talking about are easier than the criminal immunity case. The constitution doesn't speak to the presidents' immunity, and there is a well-regarded principle that the president can't be sued in a civil context. Now, normally the absence of a provision in the constitution is interpreted as evidence for its non-existence in law, and the civil immunity functions completely differently than a criminal immunity. Which is to say that the opinion was an abomination. It doesn't, however, contradict actual text of the constitution.

4. These cases do contradict the actual text -- text that represent fundamental features of our constitutional order. To rule that due process is not required is to tell the 5th/14th to fuck off. To rule that viewpoint discrimination is OK is to declare the 1A optional. These are basic principles, prominently codified in the constitution and interpreted relatively uniformly over the last hundred years.

So maybe my position should be: if there is a bottom, this is it.
 
I believe that Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett in particular are there exactly because they have no bottom. Maybe Gorsuch has a bottom. Essentially the same bottomlessness for Thomas and Alito. Unprincipled shills each one.

I remember reading The Brethren and for a long time I believed in the transformation that it argued.

Perhaps it was true once.

But no longer.
 
I believe that Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett in particular are there exactly because they have no bottom. Maybe Gorsuch has a bottom. Essentially the same bottomlessness for Thomas and Alito. Unprincipled shills each one.

I remember reading The Brethren and for a long time I believed in the transformation that it argued.

Perhaps it was true once.

But no longer.
Gorsuch has less of a bottom than ACB. ACB has shown signs of pushback against the reactionaries. Not a lot, but some. She's trying to be the Kennedy of this court.

Kav is hard to figure. He's not Alito/Gorsuch/Thomas, but it's also true that his pushback tends to be more performative than ACB. He likes to look reasonable when there is little at stake, but he doesn't often break from those 3. I haven't looked at the data, but that's my impression from reading a lot of cases.

People used to talk about a 3-3-3 court -- the Gorsuch/Alito/Thomas dystopian swamp creature; the Roberts/ACB/Kav "moderate" bloc and then the three liberals.

The reality the last few terms is more like a 3.5-1-1.5-3 court. Kav is half with the swamp and half with Roberts in what we might call a right-leaning moderate bloc (keeping in mind that "moderate" is being used here in a relative sense; what counts as moderate now would have been hard right twenty years ago). Roberts is half with ACB in that moderate block, again keeping in mind how I'm using moderate here.
 
Six cases at UNC. Not a lot of info. Was it for protests? Was it for misdemeanors? Is it for particular areas.



With two kids on international student visas, this scares the crap out of me right now.
 
Six cases at UNC. Not a lot of info. Was it for protests? Was it for misdemeanors? Is it for particular areas.



With two kids on international student visas, this scares the crap out of me right now.
I can imagine.
 
Six cases at UNC. Not a lot of info. Was it for protests? Was it for misdemeanors? Is it for particular areas.

With two kids on international student visas, this scares the crap out of me right now.
It was probably for no reason at all. Unfortunately, I think the SoS can revoke student visas more or less at will. There might be some process that the sponsors have to go through but UNC will cave to a light breeze, let alone federal pressure.

I'm sorry for you that they are doing this bullshit. I'm wondering if the EU might offer more visas to make up for it. This is a golden opportunity for Europe to pick off the best minds from the Western hemisphere.

A friend of mine taught college econ at Barcelona. Visited there. Barcelona is fucking fabulous, and your kids of course already know the language (assuming they still speak Spanish and not Catalan).
 
One kid is a month away from graduation, but is applying to an STEM OPT visa which is normally given for 3 years (saw some of these international student visas they have revoked have been for OPT students). My other kid is halfway through his education. We are trying to figure out if he can come back to CR for three weeks of vacation before he does his summer internship or if he has to stay in the US. I suspect that most of the revoked visas are students somehow associated with protests though there are some reports of kids getting revoked for DUIs or misdemeanors.

The impact this could have on international students could be staggering...I think that's by design. Europe and Canada could really benefit Canada was a real popular university destination during the first Trump admin).
 
One kid is a month away from graduation, but is applying to an STEM OPT visa which is normally given for 3 years (saw some of these international student visas they have revoked have been for OPT students). My other kid is halfway through his education. We are trying to figure out if he can come back to CR for three weeks of vacation before he does his summer internship or if he has to stay in the US. I suspect that most of the revoked visas are students somehow associated with protests though there are some reports of kids getting revoked for DUIs or misdemeanors.

The impact this could have on international students could be staggering...I think that's by design. Europe and Canada could really benefit Canada was a real popular university destination during the first Trump admin).
Sadly Canada has cut student visas radically as a result of a housing crisis. Basically:
1. The government cut university funding nationwide.
2. Universities countered by taking in a lot more international students who pay more (My wife's university was at 28% students with visas at one point.)
3. Covid hit.
4. Canada overreacted to a labor shortage by creating too generous of a Temporary Foreign Worker program.
5. Canadian businesses figured out that it was cheaper to bring in foreign workers, which were subsidized by the government at nearly 50% than it was to pay minimum wages to Canadians so a giant portion of fast food, retail, and other hospitality jobs were suddenly being worked by TFWs.
6. A nationwide housing crisis hits as all these workers need a place to live and some are willing to pay to crowd into small places, landlords go nuts with rent increases.
7. Anti-immigration backlash happens as Canadians can't afford rents and can't get even get entry level jobs
8. Trudeau's government cuts TFW back and radically slashes student visas. (Without restoring University funding, so academic institutions are really teetering right now - my wife's university is trying to break their contract with the union to radically reduce their workforce.)
 
One kid is a month away from graduation, but is applying to an STEM OPT visa which is normally given for 3 years (saw some of these international student visas they have revoked have been for OPT students). My other kid is halfway through his education. We are trying to figure out if he can come back to CR for three weeks of vacation before he does his summer internship or if he has to stay in the US. I suspect that most of the revoked visas are students somehow associated with protests though there are some reports of kids getting revoked for DUIs or misdemeanors.

The impact this could have on international students could be staggering...I think that's by design. Europe and Canada could really benefit Canada was a real popular university destination during the first Trump admin).
He should not leave the US. I know that sucks balls, but I would advise against it. It's not just that he might not be granted re-entry. It's that he might also get thrown in a dungeon for two weeks.

I don't know about the OPT visa. Is the sponsor a university or a corp? If it's a university, bad idea. Corp is not failsafe but is safer.

I'm 100% positive that your kids' presence in the US has made the US a better place. Well, maybe not 100% but I'm pretty fucking confident. And so it pains me to be having to give the advice of "probably best to stay away."

Also: the Nicaragua background could be especially a problem, though I'm sure you're well aware of that and know way more about it than I do.
 
Sadly Canada has cut student visas radically as a result of a housing crisis. Basically:
But this is an opportunity to poach talent. Since Canada seems relatively united right now on the proposition that Trump is a bully, maybe now would be a good time to reverse some of that. Build more houses with the lumber not being exported to the US. Canada is probably going to need fiscal stimulus anyway, so that could be a

I don't know. I never thought of Canada as an especially well-governed country, though compared to the US right now they are well-oiled machine. But this could be an opportunity.
 
My kids are both CR citizens which is considered a low risk country. But yeah...think he may have to stay in the States for those three weeks just til things calm down a bit.

OPT is a government program that allows F1 visa holder to work in the US for a year (or in the case of STEM majors, 3 years). Universities still sponsor the student during that time, though they need to have a full time job in their field for the visa to be issued. Some kids stay their time and leave, others shift to some other visa.
 
My kids are both CR citizens which is considered a low risk country. But yeah...think he may have to stay in the States for those three weeks just til things calm down a bit.

OPT is a government program that allows F1 visa holder to work in the US for a year (or in the case of STEM majors, 3 years). Universities still sponsor the student during that time, though they need to have a full time job in their field for the visa to be issued. Some kids stay their time and leave, others shift to some other visa.
CR should be a low risk country. But with Trump, nobody is low-risk. All it could take to get on that man's shit list would be your president saying something like, "We are happy with the current arrangement at the Canal" or something negative about Bukele and boom!

I would also -- and trust me, this really pains me to say -- avoid putting him a position where he's depending on universities for his status. They are not stopping with the assaults on academia, and who knows what the administration might do. That said, this is purely speculation and an actual immigration lawyer would know far better than I do. That's my gut instinct.
 
Thanks...well aware of that inherent risk (knew this would be a threat at election time). Not much to do. His hiring firm said he'd be eligible to apply for a company sponsored visa after a year.
 
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