Harris v. Trump Debate Thread | Trump DECLINES another debate (in ALL CAPS!)

I want to watch it, but I'm scared to watch it.

I'll get so pissed off at drumps constant lies, I'll want to break the TV.

Hopefully Harris uses the phrase: "You are lying" quite often tonight.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
I'm not voting for Trump. But if he wins, he is probably looking at (if he's lucky) a seat or two margin in the senate and a very thin house majority and a good chance for neither, it's just not the end of the world in my opinion.
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"it's just not the end of the world in my opinion."

That wasn't true for a lot of people last time around. trump literally cost lives with his handling of covid.
 
heelwithnoname said:
^ "But I can't vote for either in good conscience."

This is what I just can't reconcile intellectually or emotionally. One candidate has made a mockery of the office, stomped on the traditions like the peaceful transfer of power, and is effectively a joke to over half our citizens and most of the world. The other may propose policies you don't agree with.

It is NOT enough to not vote for either. A message needs to be sent to the GOP and to the world that as a country, we reject the kind of "politics" that MAGA has polluted the country with for the last 8 years. A vote AGAINST Trump isn't necessarily the same as a vote for Harris, even if it has the same effect.
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That is the hardest question to answer for me as to why folks support Trump.

While I'm registered unaffiliated, I recognize that at this point I lean Dem. (I would say that's more due to the rightward lurch of the Pubs in the last 15 years, but that's not really important.)

But if the Dems were running a liberal version of Trump - someone who was an extremist, who tried to overthrow the peaceful transfer of power, who used the office of POTUS largely for their personal gain, and who has shown no respect for the institutions of government nor democracy - I would have no problem voting for a Pub for President - certainly someone like Mitt Romney and very likely even someone like Nikki Haley or Chris Christie.

And it's not like anyone paying a minimum of attention should not know who or what Trump is at this point. It's clear who he is and what he wants to do. The only understanding I can take from it is that folks prefer a fascist who threatens the integrity of our government to a slightly-left-of-center Dem.
 
SnoopRob said:
That is the hardest question to answer for me as to why folks support Trump.

While I'm registered unaffiliated, I recognize that at this point I lean Dem. (I would say that's more due to the rightward lurch of the Pubs in the last 15 years, but that's not really important.)

But if the Dems were running a liberal version of Trump - someone who was an extremist, who tried to overthrow the peaceful transfer of power, who used the office of POTUS largely for their personal gain, and who has shown no respect for the institutions of government nor democracy - I would have no problem voting for a Pub for President - certainly someone like Mitt Romney and very likely even someone like Nikki Haley or Chris Christie.

And it's not like anyone paying a minimum of attention should not know who or what Trump is at this point. It's clear who he is and what he wants to do. The only understanding I can take from it is that folks prefer a fascist who threatens the integrity of our government to a slightly-left-of-center Dem.
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We are a deeply flawed populace. America lost her way.
 
UNCatTech said:
I want to watch it, but I'm scared to watch it.

I'll get so pissed off at drumps constant lies, I'll want to break the TV.

Hopefully Harris uses the phrase: "You are lying" quite often tonight.
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I can’t watch it because the unending stream of lies, and knowing hundreds of millions lap it up, makes me so misanthropic I yearn to press the nuclear holocaust button.
 
UNCatTech said:
Hopefully Harris uses the phrase: "You are lying" quite often tonight.
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Maybe. I kind of like the approach that Bill and Barack were suggesting at the convention. Focus on the "I"s, not the lies. Point out all his whining, and his self-obsessions. "Liar" is an old attack and it doesn't seem to work very well. "Weird" has apparently worked better, and I think maybe "whiner" is more along those lines.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
Man, the hyperbole on this thread. In the end, Harris or Trump, it won't matter that much. If it's Trump (which it won't be, I maintain Harris will win with an electoral map similar to Biden's 2020 victory) a Democrat will almost assuredly win in 2028. If it's Harris, a Republican will have a good shot to win in 2028. As I've mentioned previously, if there is a race where I don't like the choices, I am writing in who i want in that office. I'll no longer be forced to vote for bad candidates. I also don't understand so many people getting so angry over politics, people should vote, and should advocate for issues and policies they agree with, but if your candidates lose, no reason for a three year old tantrum, just keep advocating and maybe you'll win next time. The sky is falling crap is so exhausting, it happens every election and in the end, it's all ok. My candidates and policy preferences don't always win and sometimes they do, and that's ok. I am not bothered that there are people out there that do not agree with me politically.
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Spoken like a true Trumper.
 
I'm going to a baseball game. I will catch the highlights/lowlights later.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
I also don't understand so many people getting so angry over politics.
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Seriously?

When the person elected and their party can take away one's right to marry the one they love or to get appropriate medical care?
When the person elected and their party can take away protections and regulations to protect?
It's because they do actually have the power to change all of our lives, if we allow a crazy moon bat that is willing to let small fringe groups like the Heritage Foundation guild them in ways that could destroy our democracy and move us toward a theocracy?
 
EhringhausSouth said:
I disagree that he would have the full support of the Supreme Court. And I do think there will be an adequate check in a Trump presidency. I feel the same about a Harris presidency, would be plenty of checks. I prefer neither but I realize it's going to be one of them. But I can't vote for either in good conscience. But I know people voting for both, and I understand their reasoning.
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He pretty much already has the Supreme court and could add more Justices if elected.

Where are the checks if he has the Senate and the House?

I can't understand anyone's reasoning for voting for a convicted felon, rapist, narcissist, senile old man who shits himself.
 
finesse said:
This is a bullshit argument. I know a 50 year long empirical study that suggests that as the pot gets stronger, the less gets smoked. Getting too stoned and falling asleep in the corner is real. That study suggest that the same person who would smoke an ounce of pot 4-5 days in 1970 would seldom smoked more than 2-3 grams of today's current stuff.
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May be inaccurate, I have no idea. That was his observation that something had changed with that crowd.
 
Interesting, that in Trump's four years as President and Harris's Senate years at the same time, that they never met. Not to mention funerals Trump didn't attend but she did. I kinda think she open with that she missed him at Bidden inauguration that he skipped.
 
SnoopRob said:
That is the hardest question to answer for me as to why folks support Trump.

While I'm registered unaffiliated, I recognize that at this point I lean Dem. (I would say that's more due to the rightward lurch of the Pubs in the last 15 years, but that's not really important.)

But if the Dems were running a liberal version of Trump - someone who was an extremist, who tried to overthrow the peaceful transfer of power, who used the office of POTUS largely for their personal gain, and who has shown no respect for the institutions of government nor democracy - I would have no problem voting for a Pub for President - certainly someone like Mitt Romney and very likely even someone like Nikki Haley or Chris Christie.

And it's not like anyone paying a minimum of attention should not know who or what Trump is at this point. It's clear who he is and what he wants to do. The only understanding I can take from it is that folks prefer a fascist who threatens the integrity of our government to a slightly-left-of-center Dem.
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She’s not a slightly left-of-center Democrat.

She’s a Marxist Socialist Communist Fascist Dimocrat.
 
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