Harris v. Trump Debate Thread | Trump DECLINES another debate (in ALL CAPS!)

EhringhausSouth said:
I certainly get that view. I just disagree. I think Harris and Trump will be equally bad, just in different ways. As a conservative, I don't like Harris stance on policy, not her personally, I should have been more clear. Trump however, awful for the party and the country. I agree it isn't a lesser of the two evils situation, both awful and I refuse to be vote for either one.
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Do you agree with the bipartisan border bill that Kamala supports and Trump told Rs to torpedo?
 
EhringhausSouth said:
I certainly get that view. I just disagree. I think Harris and Trump will be equally bad, just in different ways. As a conservative, I don't like Harris stance on policy, not her personally, I should have been more clear. Trump however, awful for the party and the country. I agree it isn't a lesser of the two evils situation, both awful and I refuse to be vote for either one.
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It’s difficult for me to wrap my head around a rational person thinking that trump bad and Harris bad would be in the same stratosphere.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
It's an improvement, but need to do way more. To me, her proposal isn't ideal, no.
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Her proposal is to abide by the biggest bipartisan immigration fix in at least 4 decades. It offers legit fixes to massive issues that have plagued the system and are only getting worse. And it’s practically a wish-list for republicans, who wouldn’t have agreed to support it otherwise.

Not a chance Trump could do better.

Not to mention that Trump is single-handedly responsible for leaving an “open border” for the past 9 months or so, out of spite.
 
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Bigs23 said:
It’s difficult for me to wrap my head around a rational person thinking that trump bad and Harris bad would be in the same stratosphere.
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Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, or FDR could be the Democratic nominee and Republicans such EhringhausSouth would equate them to Trump because they’re Democrats.
 
Zoo_View said:
Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, or FDR could be the Democratic nominee and Republicans such EhringhausSouth would equate them to Trump because they’re Democrats.
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I’m afraid so. They seem to be a lost cause.
 
superrific said:
This roughly translates as "I don't have any idea what that border bill actually does, but right-wing news media said it was weak so I'm going with that.'
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Ah ha ha, Ehaus has a different opinion so you had to rush over here to do that thing y’all do. It’s so transparent and pathetic.

Sound vaguely familiar, supe?
 
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Croatoan said:
Ah ha ha, Ehaus has a different opinion so you had to rush over here to do that thing y’all do. It’s so transparent and pathetic.

Sound vaguely familiar, supe?
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Ehringhaus does have a different opinion but he fails to make his point(s) clearly or with any specifics. This last bit about the border bill and the VP’s “position” is a classic example. It’s low hanging fruit to nit pick it and call him out on it.

And whatever “that thing ya’ll do” on your side of the aisle is what’s pathetic.
 
Croatoan said:
Ah ha ha, Ehaus has a different opinion so you had to rush over here to do that thing y’all do. It’s so transparent and pathetic.

Sound vaguely familiar, supe?
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In my experience on the board, virtually all -- if not all -- of the people who say the immigration bill is too weak or "has to do more" have no idea what it would have and wouldn't have done. That includes you.

What Ehaus expressed was not an opinion. An opinion is a proposition based in reason and knowledge; it differs from a fact only in that it can't be proven or known with a high degree of confidence. For instance, it used to be an opinion that wood burned because of oxidation, as opposed to the different opinion that it burned because of phlogiston. That is no longer considered a matter of opinion.

Statements not based in reason and knowledge are not opinions. They are just spew. I will mock spew where I find it. If you want to spew, do it somewhere else. As you've been reminded before, this board is a grown-ups table. There are places for you to throw food. It shouldn't be here.
 
EyeballKid said:
Not a chance Trump could do better.
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Zero chance. Dems supported the negotiated bill even though it made a number of concessions to which they held their noses because it was the best bill that's been put together in decades. With Trump torpedoing it, if he wins, it won't get the 60 votes needed to get out of the Senate.
 
EyeballKid said:
Her proposal is to abide by the biggest bipartisan immigration fix in at least 4 decades. It offers legit fixes to massive issues that have plagued the system and are only getting worse. And it’s practically a wish-list for republicans, who wouldn’t have agreed to support it otherwise.

Not a chance Trump could do better.

Not to mention that Trump is single-handedly responsible for leaving an “open border” for the past 9 months or so, out of spite.
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Oh, I agree, it would be a big improvement, but I still don't think it goes far enough. I'd support it 100% once Harris is elected simply because it would a huge step in the right direction.
 
uncsig said:
Zero chance. Dems supported the negotiated bill even though it made a number of concessions to which they held their noses because it was the best bill that's been put together in decades. With Trump torpedoing it, if he wins, it won't get the 60 votes needed to get out of the Senate.
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Trump isn't going to win, but if he did, you think Republicans wouldn't support it or Democrats wouldn't support the same bill?
 
EhringhausSouth said:
Trump isn't going to win, but if he did, you think Republicans wouldn't support it or Democrats wouldn't support the same bill?
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I think it’s likely Dems wouldn’t support the bill.

Rs had Ds over a barrel in recent negotiations, due to the makeup of the legislature. It’s why Ds largely signed off on a bill that was a wish-list for Rs and gave little ground to Ds. To get *anything* done, Ds knew they had to kowtow to virtually every R demand.

If Trump wins, the shoe will be on the other foot. Ds in the legislature will be in the drivers seat for negotiations.

Basically, Trump fumbled the Rs best chance to get what they want.

And btw, you’ve still not explained why you think the bill didn’t go far enough and/or what you think could feasibly get passed.
 
www.nbcnews.com

Trump and Harris campaigns agree to rules for ABC debate

Both sides initially agreed to a debate on Sept. 10, but Trump later threatened to back out, and Harris sought to change one of the ground rules.
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A virtual coin flip on Tuesday determined podium placement and the order of closing statements for Sept. 10, ABC News said. Trump won the coin toss and decided to speak last during closing statements. Harris selected the right podium position on the screen.
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I'm sure I've read the reason before but I wonder what the psychology is behind choosing the left or right podium.
 
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