Harris v. Trump Debate Thread | Trump DECLINES another debate (in ALL CAPS!)

[Rock]

Is the new board software capable of sending out a wellness-check for the Trump supporters?

 

[EyeballKid]

If nothing is changed then what’s the harm? In trying to send a signal?

There’s no harm as long as you recognize it for the vanity that it is, and you don’t expect it to actually change anything. You’ll still be bound by the rules set forth by the winning party.

 

[uncgriff]

That is far better than his usual outlandish claims. At least this one is technically feasible or possible. Most are so outlandish they are theoretically impossible.

New Zealand has hated us for years

 

[ColdBlueSteel]

There’s no harm as long as you recognize it for the vanity that it is, and you don’t expect it to actually change anything. You’ll still be bound by the rules set forth by the winning party.

“Vanity”, “superiority”, “immigrate”…tremendous irony here. What’s the saying about the accuser…?

 

[DurhamK]

If nothing is changed then what’s the harm? In trying to send a signal?

There are definitely things changed. People deciding not to vote as a protest can end up swinging the election, which is a huge change. But an individual voter not voting has no impact on the thing they are actually trying to change, which is supposedly 'candidate quality' in this case.

If you actually want to have an impact on politics- who the parties nominate, where the overton window moves, what the discourse is- you do so by getting involved, not by sitting out.

 

[EyeballKid]

“Vanity”, “superiority”, “immigrate”…tremendous irony here. What’s the saying about the accuser…?

Cool. Show me how voting 3rd party—or not voting—has effectuated any change in modern elections. I’ll hang up and listen.

 

[Milk and Cookies]

You can vote for Nikki Haley by staying at home, writing her name on a candy wrapper with a crayon and putting it under your couch cushion. Same efficacy. Less driving.

 

[ColdBlueSteel]

There are definitely things changed. People deciding not to vote as a protest can end up swinging the election, which is a huge change. But an individual voter not voting has no impact on the thing they are actually trying to change, which is supposedly 'candidate quality' in this case.

If you actually want to have an impact on politics- who the parties nominate, where the overton window moves, what the discourse is- you do so by getting involved, not by sitting out.

Comment was about voting 3rd party or write in, not sitting out. As far as “who the party nominates”, that seems dubious, currently.

 

[Kraftyheel89]

Not sure why everyone is trying to call out Ehouse for writing in Nikki Haley. Actually, I think I do know. Though only one vote he probably represents a lot more people than we think. My guess is that everyone wants him to vote for Harris, as one of the only two viable options.

I also have a very strong hunch that if he were to vote for one on the ticket, it would most certainly be Trump.

In the big scheme of things, someone if forced to choose between the two would vote Trump, a write in of Nikki is far better. That is one less vote for Trump. Not an extra one for Harris, but one less for Trump.

Why try to encourage him to vote for Trump? Makes no sense to me. You go vote for Nikki, Ehouse!

 

[RockyMtnHoo]

If there’s no way someone would vote Dem under any circumstance, it’s obviously better they vote third party or write in than Trump.

 

[zeuxis]

 

[mpaer]

If there’s no way someone would vote Dem under any circumstance, it’s obviously better they vote third party or write in than Trump.

Yea A non Vote I will admit I voted for Mike Munger for Gov of NC back whenever
Now I am a "yellow dog " . But by November it was clear Beverly Purdue would not win-so it was a"piss off" vote

 

[DurhamK]

Comment was about voting 3rd party or write in, not sitting out. As far as “who the party nominates”, that seems dubious, currently.

Writing in third party has precisely the same effect as sitting out: you give up any agency that you might have in actually effectuating change. The downside impact in this particular election is that you might contribute to putting Trump back in the White House as a little accidental side effect.

 

[DurhamK]

If there’s no way someone would vote Dem under any circumstance, it’s obviously better they vote third party or write in than Trump.

My bad- didn't realize he was either Trump or third party. By all means vote Nikki in that case. I'm good with that person giving up their agency.

 

[EyeballKid]

Not sure why everyone is trying to call out Ehouse for writing in Nikki Haley. Actually, I think I do know. Though only one vote he probably represents a lot more people than we think. My guess is that everyone wants him to vote for Harris, as one of the only two viable options.

I also have a very strong hunch that if he were to vote for one on the ticket, it would most certainly be Trump.

In the big scheme of things, someone if forced to choose between the two would vote Trump, a write in of Nikki is far better. That is one less vote for Trump. Not an extra one for Harris, but one less for Trump.

Why try to encourage him to vote for Trump? Makes no sense to me. You go vote for Nikki, Ehouse!

That’s fair.

 

[Calheel]

If there’s no way someone would vote Dem under any circumstance, it’s obviously better they vote third party or write in than Trump.

I respect a Trump voter more than a Write-In/Third Party Voter.

 

[evrheel]

If nothing is changed then what’s the harm? In trying to send a signal?

Third party protest votes by Dems in 2016 gave us Trump

 

[Rock]

 

[RockyMtnHoo]

I respect a Trump voter more than a Write-In/Third Party Voter.

I respect a write in/third party Pub voter more than a Pub who knows what a trainwreck/disaster/threat-to-democracy Trump is, but votes for him anyway.

 

[altmin]

What's his face who portrayed Trump in debate prep for Harris did it so method that he even slathered himself up in self-tanner to get an orange appearance.