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Harris v. Trump Debate Thread | Trump DECLINES another debate (in ALL CAPS!)

DurhamK said:
There are definitely things changed. People deciding not to vote as a protest can end up swinging the election, which is a huge change. But an individual voter not voting has no impact on the thing they are actually trying to change, which is supposedly 'candidate quality' in this case.

If you actually want to have an impact on politics- who the parties nominate, where the overton window moves, what the discourse is- you do so by getting involved, not by sitting out.
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Comment was about voting 3rd party or write in, not sitting out. As far as “who the party nominates”, that seems dubious, currently.
 
Not sure why everyone is trying to call out Ehouse for writing in Nikki Haley. Actually, I think I do know. Though only one vote he probably represents a lot more people than we think. My guess is that everyone wants him to vote for Harris, as one of the only two viable options.

I also have a very strong hunch that if he were to vote for one on the ticket, it would most certainly be Trump.

In the big scheme of things, someone if forced to choose between the two would vote Trump, a write in of Nikki is far better. That is one less vote for Trump. Not an extra one for Harris, but one less for Trump.

Why try to encourage him to vote for Trump? Makes no sense to me. You go vote for Nikki, Ehouse!
 
RockyMtnHoo said:
If there’s no way someone would vote Dem under any circumstance, it’s obviously better they vote third party or write in than Trump.
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Yea A non Vote I will admit I voted for Mike Munger for Gov of NC back whenever
Now I am a "yellow dog " . But by November it was clear Beverly Purdue would not win-so it was a"piss off" vote
 
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ColdBlueSteel said:
Comment was about voting 3rd party or write in, not sitting out. As far as “who the party nominates”, that seems dubious, currently.
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Writing in third party has precisely the same effect as sitting out: you give up any agency that you might have in actually effectuating change. The downside impact in this particular election is that you might contribute to putting Trump back in the White House as a little accidental side effect.
 
RockyMtnHoo said:
If there’s no way someone would vote Dem under any circumstance, it’s obviously better they vote third party or write in than Trump.
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My bad- didn't realize he was either Trump or third party. By all means vote Nikki in that case. I'm good with that person giving up their agency.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
Not sure why everyone is trying to call out Ehouse for writing in Nikki Haley. Actually, I think I do know. Though only one vote he probably represents a lot more people than we think. My guess is that everyone wants him to vote for Harris, as one of the only two viable options.

I also have a very strong hunch that if he were to vote for one on the ticket, it would most certainly be Trump.

In the big scheme of things, someone if forced to choose between the two would vote Trump, a write in of Nikki is far better. That is one less vote for Trump. Not an extra one for Harris, but one less for Trump.

Why try to encourage him to vote for Trump? Makes no sense to me. You go vote for Nikki, Ehouse!
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That’s fair.
 
What's his face who portrayed Trump in debate prep for Harris did it so method that he even slathered himself up in self-tanner to get an orange appearance.
 
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After debate polls reveal Trump voters were about twice as likely as Harris supporters to say it at least made them “reconsider” their voting for Trump. The CNN poll showed Harris winning the debate 63 percent to 37 percent among debate-watchers, while the YouGov poll showed her winning 54-31 among registered voters who watched at least some of the debate, with 14 percent unsure. (Trump has cited his own improbably wide margins in some unscientific online polls — posting a series of them on Truth Social — but those polls don’t reflect the actual electorate.)

However, though it’s worth noting that a strong debate doesn’t always necessarily translate into a White House victory.
The biggest margins:
  • Biden’s 60-28 win in his first 2020 debate against Trump, when Trump was widely panned for constantly interrupting and strained to avoid repudiating white supremacists.
  • Hillary Clinton’s 62-27 win over Trump in the first debate of 2016.
  • Mitt Romney’s 67-25 win over then-President Barack Obama in the first debate of 2012.
 
Centerpiece said:
After debate polls reveal Trump voters were about twice as likely as Harris supporters to say it at least made them “reconsider” their voting for Trump. The CNN poll showed Harris winning the debate 63 percent to 37 percent among debate-watchers, while the YouGov poll showed her winning 54-31 among registered voters who watched at least some of the debate, with 14 percent unsure. (Trump has cited his own improbably wide margins in some unscientific online polls — posting a series of them on Truth Social — but those polls don’t reflect the actual electorate.)

However, though it’s worth noting that a strong debate doesn’t always necessarily translate into a White House victory.
The biggest margins:
  • Biden’s 60-28 win in his first 2020 debate against Trump, when Trump was widely panned for constantly interrupting and strained to avoid repudiating white supremacists.
  • Hillary Clinton’s 62-27 win over Trump in the first debate of 2016.
  • Mitt Romney’s 67-25 win over then-President Barack Obama in the first debate of 2012.
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Wow. How far we have fallen. When you look at who people thought won those past debates mentioned, the loser had between 25-28% of the viewers believe they won the debate. This most recent debate was the most lopsided I have seen and Trump’s performance was the worst I have seen (even compared to his prior debate performances) and he got as many as 37% of the viewers to believe he won.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
Not sure why everyone is trying to call out Ehouse for writing in Nikki Haley. Actually, I think I do know. Though only one vote he probably represents a lot more people than we think. My guess is that everyone wants him to vote for Harris, as one of the only two viable options.

I also have a very strong hunch that if he were to vote for one on the ticket, it would most certainly be Trump.

In the big scheme of things, someone if forced to choose between the two would vote Trump, a write in of Nikki is far better. That is one less vote for Trump. Not an extra one for Harris, but one less for Trump.

Why try to encourage him to vote for Trump? Makes no sense to me. You go vote for Nikki, Ehouse!
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Totally disagree. If, in this particular example, you are a Republican/Conservative, that is totally fed up w your party, the most logical thing to do to send a message to your party would be to vote for the other party until your party gets their act back together.

Voting for someone that can’t win isn’t accomplishing anything.
 
I’m guessing asking a Pub who doesn’t like Trump to vote for Harris, is kinda like asking a UNC fan to root for NC State in the national championship game against Duke.
 
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