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OGtruthhurts said:
well im speaking about any competent high school or lower div coach. take the saved millions and buy the best players. fb coaching is not brain surgery.

i simply dont know why we keep trying the same thing over and over after failing over and over at doing it but i understand fans love shiny new things. just insane to keep doing the same thing with the same result. it doesnt work at unc so try something different goddammit
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Yeah we went from hiring one ancient retread looking for a payday to another. The asshats on the BOT got played because they creamed their shorts when Rubio and Tillis called them to go after Belichick.
 
rodoheel said:
Yeah we went from hiring one ancient retread looking for a payday to another. The asshats on the BOT got played because they creamed their shorts when Rubio and Tillis called them to go after Belichick.
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Well I guess we will find out a lot about Bill. If he’s still a competitor he didn’t sleep last night and he’s going to double down and keep at it. If this was just a grift, he will mail it in the rest of the year, retire, and ride off into the sunset. But if he does that there will always be questions about his legacy. I think the narrative will stick that the Patriots success was due to Brady and Bill was just along for the ride. Can he live with that? We shall see.
 
HandsonFire said:
Well I guess we will find out a lot about Bill. If he’s still a competitor he didn’t sleep last night and he’s going to double down and keep at it. If this was just a grift, he will mail it in the rest of the year, retire, and ride off into the sunset. But if he does that there will always be questions about his legacy. I think the narrative will stick that the Patriots success was due to Brady and Bill was just along for the ride. Can he live with that? We shall see.
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I'm confident Bill wants to win. The question is whether, at this stage of his career, he has much choice in the matter. He wanted to win his last few years in New England too.
 
Last night sucked hard but some of the takes on this board are a little over the top - maybe Belichick figures things out and we still have a decent season or he doesn't and we try again - hopefully we will still be willing to spend the money to have a good football program
 
I was texting during the second half last night with a friend of mine who works in an athletics fundraising role at UNC, and he was telling me that a lot of the biggest football donors and supporters were already pretty turned off by how non-existent their access has been to the football program and to the coaches. If you know anything about UNC's football donors (the Big Hitters and the 22 Club), access to the program and to coaches are not something they are used to *not* having. Heck, it's a huge reason why Mack Brown 2.0 even lasted as long as it did, IMO (or, hell, why 2.0 even happened in the first place)- Mack had built genuinely close friendships with all of the influential boosters.

If Bill is going to insist on being his cantankerous, isolated, closed-off self, that's going to come with financial consequences for UNC, because those big money folks aren't going to tolerate being treated like that for long, and especially not if we are going to put forth such a humiliating product on the field. And if the big money stops flowing, then we aren't going to assemble very talented rosters in this new era of college football. And if we can't assemble talented rosters, we are going to see more of what happened last night for UNC moving forward.

This was all a huge gamble by the BOT and the University, and while the jury is still very much out on how it's going to work, the grim reality after last night is that the worst case scenario is now plausibly on the table- that this whole thing unravels before it really even gets going.
 
Hppefully, nearing the floor and just a short-term train wreck and growing pains. All depends on the GM and how well he judged the 70 new players/ This was always the dynamic in BB vs MC. BB will npt want that debacle of last night to be his legacy. Can only go up from hgere/
Fingers crossed/
 
The biggest problem to me is not that we lost, or even that we got blown out. That happens in college football, especially in week 1 of a brand new coaching regime with a brand new roster.

Here's the big problem:

We were told that by hiring Belichick we'd never have to worry about the coaching, or the game management, or the effort. Well, the coaching staff looked completely out-classed, over-matched, and hopelessly clueless. Can anyone watch that game last night and say that that coaching staff- which we've paid ungodly amounts of money to have- wasn't any *worse* than any of the Mack 2.0, Larry Fedora, Butch Davis, John Bunting, or Carl Torbush staffs?

The same shit that UNC football is known for- lackadaisical effort, loafing, arm tackling, taking bad angles, getting out-hustled and out-competed physically- was there last night in droves. We had an awful game plan and even worse play calling after the opening scripted drive. We got zero pressure on the QB. We rarely forced TCU into any long down-and-distance situations, and on the rare occurrence that we did, we'd give up 3rd and 20. In the second half, TCU players were bouncing off our guys like bowling balls. Hell, the staff even botched the end of first half clock management in a way that would make Mack and Sparky Woods blush, and it resulted in TCU getting 3 additional points going into half.
 
Bigs23 said:
If they win the rest of their games are in the playoffs this game will be forgotten or used as the opening chapter of an inspirational redemption story…but that ain’t happening.
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The bad taste in your mouth from last night will not be washed away so easily. Team will have to sweep the regular season and WIN the ACC Championship game on National TV and get invited to the Bowl Championship Series and win at LEAST the first game if not a quarter final game, making it to the Semi's. All on National, Prime Time TV. Then, and only then, will the bad taste be washed out. Anything less (including let's say a blow out loss in the ACC Championship game, resulting in a mid-tier bowl invite) that bitter taste remains. But as you say... any or all that ain't happening. This game won't be forgotten this year. Period.
 
HandsonFire said:
Well I guess we will find out a lot about Bill. If he’s still a competitor he didn’t sleep last night and he’s going to double down and keep at it. If this was just a grift, he will mail it in the rest of the year, retire, and ride off into the sunset. But if he does that there will always be questions about his legacy. I think the narrative will stick that the Patriots success was due to Brady and Bill was just along for the ride. Can he live with that? We shall see.
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He doesn't have to live with it long. He's 80.
 
Batt Boy said:
Saban said of the entire UNC roster, 2 might get drafted late and another 2 might make practice squads. We simply have little talent.
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I think this is the issue. You can hide a lack of talent a little bit with some good coaching, and Belichick is a good coach, but he has only had 25 days to teach these guys.

I think this year is going to be a low ACC finish. If he can get the recruiting and the transfer window going, he can probably get it going by next year, but a turn around this year would be a miracle.
 
With this roster, the only difference between having Bill Belichick as coach vs. some lesser known coach is that, instead of us losing while no one outside of the fanbase pays attention, we’ll lose while more people pay attention and talk shit about Belichick. I don’t necessarily see how this hurts UNC’s football trajectory. Putting a shitty team on the field that people talk about really isn’t any worse than putting a shitty team on the field that nobody talks about.
 
He came too late to get any portal wins. What we got was the leftovers in the portal. Catching matters, but on the margins. Talent wins. We have little.
 
Icky Mettle said:
With this roster, the only difference between having Bill Belichick as coach vs. some lesser known coach is that, instead of us losing while no one outside of the fanbase pays attention, we’ll lose while more people pay attention and talk shit about Belichick. I don’t necessarily see how this hurts UNC’s football trajectory. Putting a shitty team on the field that people talk about really isn’t any worse than putting a shitty team on the field that nobody talks about.
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I agree but it still kinda sucks as a fan that we’re going to get our misery rubbed in from all sides lol.
 
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