Hegseth ordered hundreds of generals to meet on short notice in Virginia

rodoheel said:
But your choice in these situations - just like in the military scenario - is not "generic female versus generic male." The military is not forced to put a random female in combat with no ability to determine their readiness and aptitude. Literally no one is suggesting that the army not have qualification standards, which would include physical qualification standards. There is a ton of evidence that women are capable of meeting such standards for many different military roles and are fully capable of serving in those roles. JCDing for Trump and Hegseth's brand of faux machismo as if it's just some simple recognition of biology is foolish.
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One of the physical fitness qualification tests for Ranger Training that the Army dropped was a test for how long someone could remain active and ready to fight while waiting in water on a cold day. The reason the Army dropped this qualification test was they discovered the women could survive and continue to function while immersed in cold water for periods of time that would kill the vast majority of men. For Ranger missions, being immersed in water and remaining functional seem like a pretty reasonable requirement. But as it favored women, not men, out it went.
 
05C40 said:
One of the physical fitness qualification tests for Ranger Training that the Army dropped was a test for how long someone could remain active and ready to fight while waiting in water on a cold day. The reason the Army dropped this qualification test was they discovered the women could survive and continue to function while immersed in cold water for periods of time that would kill the vast majority of men. For Ranger missions, being immersed in water and remaining functional seem like a pretty reasonable requirement. But as it favored women, not men, out it went.
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Link on that?
 
100+ women have completed training as Army Rangers. But zen has a hypothesis that it's possible that they will ruin our combat efforts in the future, so the safest thing to do is kick them out.
 
superrific said:
Link on that?
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I was in the Army at the time it occurred, and I read a newspaper article about in the European Edition of "Stars and Stripes." Given that women are generally smaller (with less surface area) than men and have a higher percentage of body fat than men, this finding struck me as sort of self-evidence result.
 
rodoheel said:
I mean - I think if Trump and Hegseth are going to assert that the fighting potential of our military has been lessened or weakened they have the burden of proof on that assertion. We may not have been in any "wars" in a while but American troops in various service branches have been engaged in combat operations relatively constantly for the last couple decades - most recently of course when we bombed Iran. I don't recall Trump or Hegseth saying that the operation went poorly because, like, there was a woman involved or something.

As for "females on the battlefield" being a supposed issue - are there actually a lot of females in, like, front-line infantry units? If so then they probably have been in service in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. I don't think there has been some mass increase in putting females in infantry units or the special forces or something. And again, I have no problem with those types of units having physical standards that members have to meet. But having some sort of wide-ranging physical standards like trump and Hegseth are referencing that apply to all units - I'm not sure that makes sense.

This is just absolutely a made up problem, man. The fact that you are willing to accept at face value Trump and Hegseth claiming that wokeness has weakened our military despite absolutely zero evidence of it is sad. Theoretical musings are not the same as evidence.

BTW - a number of women are actively serving in Ukraine's armed forces in their fight against Russia. Including in front-line units. Do you have reason to believe that this is negatively impacting the Ukrainian military?
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On tic tok a couple of military women have posted Hedseth doing pull ups beside them doing pull ups. The women are so much better. Better form as well as doing 5 times as many.
 
05C40 said:
I was in the Army at the time it occurred, and I read a newspaper article about in the European Edition of "Stars and Stripes." Given that women are generally smaller (with less surface area) than men and have a higher percentage of body fat than men, this finding struck me as sort of self-evidence result.
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So this was a while ago? 1980s? I'm not doubting you; I'm just curious to learn more.
 
Fact is, the military knows better than Hegseth, Trump, or any other civilians about what is needed from its members.
We should let them handle it. Comments from the peanut gallery aren’t useful nor informative.
 
05C40 said:
One of the physical fitness qualification tests for Ranger Training that the Army dropped was a test for how long someone could remain active and ready to fight while waiting in water on a cold day. The reason the Army dropped this qualification test was they discovered the women could survive and continue to function while immersed in cold water for periods of time that would kill the vast majority of men. For Ranger missions, being immersed in water and remaining functional seem like a pretty reasonable requirement. But as it favored women, not men, out it went.
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I have found no corroborating evidence of this. ChatGPT searched and found no reference to this cold water test as you describe.

If the army was using the test and dropped it when women started passing -- were men just dying during the test? Were women passing the test and then saying, "hold on, let me do this for a little while longer 'cause it's fun"? I don't think this story holds water. It might be a spurious memory.
 
ZenMode said:
Ok. They're equally close and you have a choice to have a female or male firefighter, which do you pick?
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This is such a weird thread for you to be pulling. I'd want a strong, capable woman over a puny, incompetent man. I'd want an experienced woman over a newbie man. And if the man and woman have exactly the same strength, competence and experience, I don't care one whit which one saves my life.
 
The irony, of course, is that there aren't enough men to go around. If we didn't have female firefighters or soldiers, then those roles would either go unfilled (the worst option!) or be filled by men who are otherwise doing other things.

The choice between a male and female firefighter is such a bad faith hypothetical.
 
BoonetheAiredale said:
I would prefer that a super hot woman carry me out and then offer a BJ at some later date. Since beggars can't be choosers I'll take ANYONE who can get me out of the house. What is this "preferred" nonsense? What about a gay black Muslim? Do you prefer them or not? Answer the question!!!!
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He "prefers" that women know their place... behind a man. He's made that clear in all of his post since the board inception.
 
lawtig02 said:
This is such a weird thread for you to be pulling. I'd want a strong, capable woman over a puny, incompetent man. I'd want an experienced woman over a newbie man. And if the man and woman have exactly the same strength, competence and experience, I don't care one whit which one saves my life.
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I'd sure as fuck prefer Kamala Harris to Stephen Miller. Miller would throw me in the fire.
 
ChileG said:
Some years back a nobody NC state representative who never went to college put forth a bill that would require professors at research universities to teach a minimum of X course per semester.

That guys highest level of education was literally going to clown college.

For some reason that reminded me of Pete Hegseth telling the military brass how to run the military.
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kinda like randy freaking ramsey being on the UNC system BOG, let alone the fucking chairperson.
 
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