Hegseth ordered hundreds of generals to meet on short notice in Virginia

George Washington —> Revolutionary War
Abraham Lincoln —> Civil War

Grover Cleveland deployed the military to Chicago to break up a train strike after a compliant court gave a court order to break the strike to protect interstate commerce and delivery of U.S. mail, and dozens of American casualties resulted from the resulting skirmishes. Eugene Debs got sent to prison as organizer of the strike. It is telling that Stephen Miller is having Trump cite the Pullman Railroad strike.

He also deployed the military to protect Chinese workers from angry American (white) workers in Seattle and Cheyenne who grew violent in opposition to the railroads importing cheap labor from China … basically, Cleveland used the army as the enforcement arm of railroad barons against the American labor movement.
 
MOUNTAINH33L said:
"WE SHOULD USE SOME OF THESE DANGEROUS CITIES AS TRAINING GROUNDS FOR OUR MILITARY."


What the actual fuck? How is this okay? How can anyone defend this shit? What the fuck is going on? Goddamnit.
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Just imagine the training our military will get! Putin will be quaking in his boots!
 
I extracted the “war within” stuff to its own thread so it doesn’t get lost in all the other crazy on this thread

nycfan

Politics Thread 'Trump Declares War on U.S. Cities'

More than anything else, this has to be the focus of the speeches by Hegseth and more particularly Donald Trump today to the gathered assembly of mortally all US military admirals and generals and their senior staff.

To set the scene, Hegseth ordered them all to this meeting on short notice and while decrying DEI and woke enforcement of harassment policies and rules of engagement, as well as promoting unshackling military lethality, he made this call to anyone who disagrees with him:

  • Angry
 


How much will the media water down the content of this assembly today?

This precedes the meeting:

 
nycfan said:
George Washington —> Revolutionary War
Abraham Lincoln —> Civil War

Grover Cleveland deployed the military to Chicago to break up a train strike after a compliant court gave a court order to break the strike to protect interstate commerce and delivery of U.S. mail, and dozens of American casualties resulted from the resulting skirmishes. Eugene Debs got sent to prison as organizer of the strike. It is telling that Stephen Miller is having Trump cite the Pullman Railroad strike.

He also deployed the military to protect Chinese workers from angry American (white) workers in Seattle and Cheyenne who grew violent in opposition to the railroads importing cheap labor from China … basically, Cleveland used the army as the enforcement arm of railroad barons against the American labor movement.
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I thought he was referring to Washington during the Whiskey Rebellion. Washington did not want to march against citizens while trump and hegseth are champing at the bit.
 
nycfan said:


How much will the media water down the content of this assembly today?

This precedes the meeting:

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Question for Mr Hegseth: if the military was so weak when you were enlisted, do you credit that weakness for why you are such a prissy peacock today?
 
Molotov Mocktail said:
I thought he was referring to Washington during the Whiskey Rebellion. Washington did not want to march against citizens while trump and hegseth are champing at the bit.
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That's what I was thinking. And Abraham Lincoln used the Union army to suppress unrest in US cities, notably Baltimore and New York. He also suspended habeas corpus and allowed the military to arrest anybody if they were interfering with the movement of military supplies.

He also used the military to arrest politicians and close newspapers that were in favor of ending the war and letting the Confederacy leave. That would be like Trump arresting politicians that didn't agree with his support for Israel or for advocating a peace in afghanistan during his first term. For all the good Lincoln did, that is a stain on his legacy and really doesn't get talked about enough.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
That's what I was thinking. And Abraham Lincoln used the Union army to suppress unrest in US cities, notably Baltimore and New York. He also suspended habeas corpus and allowed the military to arrest anybody if they were interfering with the movement of military supplies.

He also used the military to arrest politicians and close newspapers that were in favor of ending the war and letting the Confederacy leave. That would be like Trump arresting politicians that didn't agree with his support for Israel or for advocating a peace in afghanistan during his first term. For all the good Lincoln did, that is a stain on his legacy and really doesn't get talked about enough.
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No, trying to maintain the union in the middle of a vicious civil war really couldn't be further from disagreements about foreign policy. Jesus, what a stupid comparison.
 
nycfan said:


Ahhh the N-word quote (actually just precedes the snippet above about our Sean Connery helmed stealth subs) — he was talking about sending subs off the coast of Russia

I doubt it was expressly planned, but his reference to the N-word could be taken a lot of ways in context of Hegseth’s speech that preceded Trump (Trump was not there and I’m sure would never have read the speech).
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Here's an n-word. Nincompoop.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
That's what I was thinking. And Abraham Lincoln used the Union army to suppress unrest in US cities, notably Baltimore and New York. He also suspended habeas corpus and allowed the military to arrest anybody if they were interfering with the movement of military supplies.

He also used the military to arrest politicians and close newspapers that were in favor of ending the war and letting the Confederacy leave. That would be like Trump arresting politicians that didn't agree with his support for Israel or for advocating a peace in afghanistan during his first term. For all the good Lincoln did, that is a stain on his legacy and really doesn't get talked about enough.
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I agree with this to some extent, but at least Lincoln was dealing with a true national emergency - by far the greatest emergency in American history - the violent rebellion of nearly half the states in the Union. By contrast the America Trump inherited had plenty of problems but certainly nothing approaching a national emergency of that level. These efforts to declare economic, immigration, and cultural emergencies are just complete BS. So even if one agreed with Lincoln allowing some extremely harsh violations of civil liberties during the Civil War, there simply would be no justification for using them right now.
 
Gmonet said:
No, trying to maintain the union in the middle of a vicious civil war really couldn't be further from disagreements about foreign policy. Jesus, what a stupid comparison.
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You're okay with the president using the military to arrest duly elected politicians that disagree with their policies? Or are you saying it's only okay to arrest politicians during a civil war?

With Trump in office, that's a bold position.
 
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