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Absolutely not. I would never use such a ridiculous screenname.
Hegseth ordered hundreds of generals to meet on short notice in Virginia
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Absolutely. I agree that he's demonstrated an enormous amount of personal growth, and that deserves to be recognized and celebrated. He may still have some pretty serious blind spots, especially as it pertains to policing and law enforcement generally, but he's making an effort to be a better person and we should always encourage that.
Mulberry Heel
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But to MAGA we won't really be "powerful" until we get rid of all of the women and gays and lesbians and transgenders and other "weirdos" in the military and go back to just having red-blooded (white) he-men who make loud sounds and always act macho and tough like John Wayne or Chuck Norris. And who are willing to beat up/shoot down American civilians in the streets of big blue cities simply because they're liberals who deserve to get roughed up and shot. Until that happens then our military just isn't up to MAGA standards.
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Bingo. White Christian Nationalists have been petrified for awhile about the falling birthrate among whites, and have been looking for ways to increase it. One way was overturning Roe and then passing the most extreme anti-abortion laws possible in states Trumpers control, to the point of criminalizing it. One is going after easy access to birth control. Another is promoting things like the "tradwife" movement and odious "Quiverfull" movement (as seen on shows like "19 Kids and Counting" with the Duggars) where women are basically viewed as nothing but breeders and submissive wives. And another angle is to try and remove as many career paths for women as possible.
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Oh, God. I'd LOVE to fight Donald Trump.
Trump could order the gunning down of unarmed Americans and the GQP House is not impeaching him.
If the GQP House actually did impeach Trump, the GQP Senate is not convicting Trump.
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If Trump did something so heinous that the GOP-led House voted to impeach Trump, I'd bet the GOP-led Senate would actually vote to remove him from office.
Of course, that says very little about the Senate and a whole lot about how very, very, very unlikely it is that the GOP-led House would ever vote to impeach Trump.
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Ya'll may be right. I'm just trying to envision what happens after a refusal to follow orders, because that is a pretty big matza ball hanging out there. I suppose the most likely next step would be Heggy adopting the Trump doctrine: If someone refuses to be a shit-bag and do something utterly immoral, fire them and hire a shit-bag who is will to do something utterly immoral.
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Still just can't get over the utterly hilariously blatant hypocrisy of Meaty Petey to castigate "fat generals" and dei hires, only to then give way to the commander in chief (and hopefully dear leader) who is a more corpulent legacy hire than all combined.
I mean, really dude?? Fwiw, if one of trumps inner circle pointed out this clear way petey set his boss up for ridicule, don't think he lasts the week. All about presentation to the don, before and after
I mean, really dude?? Fwiw, if one of trumps inner circle pointed out this clear way petey set his boss up for ridicule, don't think he lasts the week. All about presentation to the don, before and after
It’s not just that the MAGAt base will happily eat this vomit off the He’s Not Here bathroom floor.You arecorrect. It's entirely made up just like transgenders in women's sports/bathrooms, illegals siphoning your healthcare and Haitians eating dogs. These people are unserious clowns. The problem is that they know their base will eat this shit up without fact checking them even a little. They quite literally can say anything with impunity.
It’s that too many “Independents” and “moderates” vote for these assholes.
Or, women deploying and directing a water hose versus no one deploying that hose.
Damn!
I’ve known for decades the guy who was the head of the UNC Burn Unit for years. He was an MD in the US Military and was on Guam/Okinawa when a plane crashed, burning lots of people. That event steered him to specializing in burn victims.
His brother was head of the Emergency Department at Duke and then UNC. He’s been the Dean at 2-3 medical schools since.
Both have said that burn injury pain is on a completely different level than “normal” pain - gunshot, broken femur, etc.
The medical question of “on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the worst, what is your pain level?”
I doubt burn victims such as sringwal could answer.
If they could, they’d scream 10,000 or a billion.
I thought he was an EMT or paramedic?
In case one doesn’t know, Hertling retired as a Lt. General (3 stars).
He was wounded at the Battle of MedinavRidge in the 1991 Gulf War.
He commanded everything from a platoon to a field army.
Looking at the 72 year-old, my extremely fit 15-18 year-old self or my 25-30 year-old rock climbing bum self is not challenging General Hertling to any physical contest.
Oh, yeah…..he had a big reputation in the Army as a great trainer.
You need 67 votes to convict.
The Democrats are at 45 with two Independents; so, the Democrats are at 47 votes. Fetterman won’t vote to convict Trump.
That’s 46 votes.
Who are the 21 Republicans who will cross the aisle?
Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski?
Sorry, I just peed myself laughing. They might vote to convict UNLESS Trump needs their votes.
Thom Tillis?
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EDIT: This letter appears to have been written sometime in the past and does not apply specifically to recent events. My apologies. As I wrote elsewhere, I was working too fast.
Searched the word "Mattis" and did not find this...
Former Defense Secretary and retired Marine Corps General James Mattis has released a statement. Here is the text of the complete statement.
IN UNION THERE IS STRENGTH
I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.
When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.
We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.
James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.
Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.
Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.
We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.
Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.
-Veterans For Common Sense
Searched the word "Mattis" and did not find this...
Former Defense Secretary and retired Marine Corps General James Mattis has released a statement. Here is the text of the complete statement.
IN UNION THERE IS STRENGTH
I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.
When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.
We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.
James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.
Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.
Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.
We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.
Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.
-Veterans For Common Sense
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