Helene Recovery & Info

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“Family Assistance Center Summary Oct. 4

1,819 volunteers — managed by a team of hundreds of volunteers — through the Family Assistance Center at the Buncombe Co. Register of Deeds deployed to check on 12,993 high priority households with 5,000+ care packages distributed. 10,140 of our neighbors confirmed safe and sound by volunteers, and via email and text, as of Friday, October 4, 2024. More volunteers needed to assist in welfare checks, distribution of food, water, and supplies, and flushing toilets. Volunteers, please report from 10:00 am to 2:00 pm at 205 College St., Asheville, NC 28801. Donations of food, water, toiletries, baby formula, dog food, etc. can be dropped off, as well.

Today’s Good News

The last home of the day on a volunteer team's list was a severely mentally incapacitated resident near the V.A. hospital. They were able to call his relieved and appreciative sister in Charlotte and relay the good news — he was okay, healthy, and had plenty of food.

Volunteers took a signed and notarized request on official letterhead from the Buncombe Co. Register of Deeds to Home Depot to request free supplies. The limit was $500. Upon seeing the letter, Home Depot managers said, "Take whatever you want." They were able to fill an entire U-Haul truck with approximately $10,000 in goods.

The Flush Brigade, comprised of six trucks and 75 volunteers, helped flush 1,964 toilets in nine Asheville communities. #flushingawesome”
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Pardon my ignorance but what is the purpose of flushing toilets (assuming there's nothing in them)?
 
aGDevil2k said:
If water is out, you have to put water in the tank to be able to flush the toilet

I can tell you never grew up on well water. :)

If you are on a well without a battery or generator, you always fill up a tub before a storm
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Gotcha thanks makes sense
 
aGDevil2k said:
If water is out, you have to put water in the tank to be able to flush the toilet

I can tell you never grew up on well water. :)

If you are on a well without a battery or generator, you always fill up a tub before a storm
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My wife is a mountain gal from Jonesborough (East Tenn) and she had the brilliant idea to fill our tub with water on Thursday night before the hurricane hit. We were some of the few on our street who could flush for those 3 days without water in our neighborhood.
 
nycfan said:
Sad story of an attempt to save a person from flood water gone tragically wrong.

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As much as I hate to dwell on things like this, I think these stories are important so that the morons among us can understand why there are areas where folks haven’t been allowed to go to rescue or help people. If allowing the public into certain areas means you’re simply putting more lives at risk, then public safety would demand limiting access to those areas.
 
A friend who volunteered up in Burnsville yesterday said the entire town SEWER system is destroyed. Not just a submerged or defunct water plant that you can get in there and fix - he's saying entire town of Burnsville water and sewer system is just gone; washed away. Cannot even fathom that.
 
Scientific Mapp said:
A friend who volunteered up in Burnsville yesterday said the entire town SEWER system is destroyed. Not just a submerged or defunct water plant that you can get in there and fix - he's saying entire town of Burnsville water and sewer system is just gone; washed away. Cannot even fathom that.
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Satellite view of one of Charlotte's waste water treatment plants. It is directly adjacent to Sugar Creek. It's not a design flaw, it's a design requirement. Charlotte isn't as hilly as Western NC, so the flooding wouldn't be as severe as it was for Helene. Hugo absolutely hammered Charlotte, but probably, IIRC, it was wind rather than flooding, that did the major damage. Hugo was still a hurricane when it passed over Charlotte. What hit Western NC was a double whammy of rain (two hits) combined with enough wind to know over trees with a tenuous grasp on the ground due to all the rain that preceded Helene. Just an absolute disaster that will takes years, if not decades, to recover from.

One more thing, this Western NC event is being called a 1,000 year flood. Maybe it was by yesterday's standards. But with Global Warming, what happened in Western NC in late September is not going to be a 1,000 year flood any more.
 
05C40 said:
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Satellite view of one of Charlotte's waste water treatment plants. It is directly adjacent to Sugar Creek. It's not a design flaw, it's a design requirement. Charlotte isn't as hilly as Western NC, so the flooding wouldn't be as severe as it was for Helene. Hugo absolutely hammered Charlotte, but probably, IIRC, it was wind rather than flooding, that did the major damage. Hugo was still a hurricane when it passed over Charlotte. What hit Western NC was a double whammy of rain (two hits) combined with enough wind to know over trees with a tenuous grasp on the ground due to all the rain that preceded Helene. Just an absolute disaster that will takes years, if not decades, to recover from.

One more thing, this Western NC event is being called a 1,000 year flood. Maybe it was by yesterday's standards. But with Global Warming, what happened in Western NC in late September is not going to be a 1,000 year flood any more.
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3 feet of rain in 48 hours would flood the hell out of sugar Creek as well. I'm fact with concrete, cities are less apt to handle that volume

Anyhow WWT plants are near streams because they are largely gravity fed.. Pipes follow streams to carry raw sewage without power.. Where they need to go uphill they have lift stations but those are avoided where at all possible

Of course being near streams helps make discharge of the treated effluent easier as well
 
05C40 said:
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Satellite view of one of Charlotte's waste water treatment plants. It is directly adjacent to Sugar Creek. It's not a design flaw, it's a design requirement. Charlotte isn't as hilly as Western NC, so the flooding wouldn't be as severe as it was for Helene. Hugo absolutely hammered Charlotte, but probably, IIRC, it was wind rather than flooding, that did the major damage. Hugo was still a hurricane when it passed over Charlotte. What hit Western NC was a double whammy of rain (two hits) combined with enough wind to know over trees with a tenuous grasp on the ground due to all the rain that preceded Helene. Just an absolute disaster that will takes years, if not decades, to recover from.

One more thing, this Western NC event is being called a 1,000 year flood. Maybe it was by yesterday's standards. But with Global Warming, what happened in Western NC in late September is not going to be a 1,000 year flood any more.
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That's good information, but I understood my friend's text to say, with regard to Burnsville, that the actual water and sewer infrastructure was destroyed - as in, underground water and sewer mains and pipes collapsed into multiple sinkholes - not just serious problems at the plants. If that's true... I'll say that I don't know how a town recovers from that ever.
 
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