Helene Recovery & Info

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nycfan said:
Sad story of an attempt to save a person from flood water gone tragically wrong.

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As much as I hate to dwell on things like this, I think these stories are important so that the morons among us can understand why there are areas where folks haven’t been allowed to go to rescue or help people. If allowing the public into certain areas means you’re simply putting more lives at risk, then public safety would demand limiting access to those areas.
 
A friend who volunteered up in Burnsville yesterday said the entire town SEWER system is destroyed. Not just a submerged or defunct water plant that you can get in there and fix - he's saying entire town of Burnsville water and sewer system is just gone; washed away. Cannot even fathom that.
 
Scientific Mapp said:
A friend who volunteered up in Burnsville yesterday said the entire town SEWER system is destroyed. Not just a submerged or defunct water plant that you can get in there and fix - he's saying entire town of Burnsville water and sewer system is just gone; washed away. Cannot even fathom that.
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Satellite view of one of Charlotte's waste water treatment plants. It is directly adjacent to Sugar Creek. It's not a design flaw, it's a design requirement. Charlotte isn't as hilly as Western NC, so the flooding wouldn't be as severe as it was for Helene. Hugo absolutely hammered Charlotte, but probably, IIRC, it was wind rather than flooding, that did the major damage. Hugo was still a hurricane when it passed over Charlotte. What hit Western NC was a double whammy of rain (two hits) combined with enough wind to know over trees with a tenuous grasp on the ground due to all the rain that preceded Helene. Just an absolute disaster that will takes years, if not decades, to recover from.

One more thing, this Western NC event is being called a 1,000 year flood. Maybe it was by yesterday's standards. But with Global Warming, what happened in Western NC in late September is not going to be a 1,000 year flood any more.
 
05C40 said:
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Satellite view of one of Charlotte's waste water treatment plants. It is directly adjacent to Sugar Creek. It's not a design flaw, it's a design requirement. Charlotte isn't as hilly as Western NC, so the flooding wouldn't be as severe as it was for Helene. Hugo absolutely hammered Charlotte, but probably, IIRC, it was wind rather than flooding, that did the major damage. Hugo was still a hurricane when it passed over Charlotte. What hit Western NC was a double whammy of rain (two hits) combined with enough wind to know over trees with a tenuous grasp on the ground due to all the rain that preceded Helene. Just an absolute disaster that will takes years, if not decades, to recover from.

One more thing, this Western NC event is being called a 1,000 year flood. Maybe it was by yesterday's standards. But with Global Warming, what happened in Western NC in late September is not going to be a 1,000 year flood any more.
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3 feet of rain in 48 hours would flood the hell out of sugar Creek as well. I'm fact with concrete, cities are less apt to handle that volume

Anyhow WWT plants are near streams because they are largely gravity fed.. Pipes follow streams to carry raw sewage without power.. Where they need to go uphill they have lift stations but those are avoided where at all possible

Of course being near streams helps make discharge of the treated effluent easier as well
 
05C40 said:
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Satellite view of one of Charlotte's waste water treatment plants. It is directly adjacent to Sugar Creek. It's not a design flaw, it's a design requirement. Charlotte isn't as hilly as Western NC, so the flooding wouldn't be as severe as it was for Helene. Hugo absolutely hammered Charlotte, but probably, IIRC, it was wind rather than flooding, that did the major damage. Hugo was still a hurricane when it passed over Charlotte. What hit Western NC was a double whammy of rain (two hits) combined with enough wind to know over trees with a tenuous grasp on the ground due to all the rain that preceded Helene. Just an absolute disaster that will takes years, if not decades, to recover from.

One more thing, this Western NC event is being called a 1,000 year flood. Maybe it was by yesterday's standards. But with Global Warming, what happened in Western NC in late September is not going to be a 1,000 year flood any more.
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That's good information, but I understood my friend's text to say, with regard to Burnsville, that the actual water and sewer infrastructure was destroyed - as in, underground water and sewer mains and pipes collapsed into multiple sinkholes - not just serious problems at the plants. If that's true... I'll say that I don't know how a town recovers from that ever.
 
President Biden approved the mobilization of another 500 active-duty troops to North Carolina to assist in the recovery efforts after the deadly and devastating Hurricane Helene.

"With a total of 1,500 troops now supplementing a robust on-the-ground effort – including more than 6,100 National Guardsmen and more than 7,000 Federal personnel – the Biden-Harris Administration is mobilizing all relevant resources to support families as they begin their road to rebuilding," the White House said in a statement Sunday.

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Biden sends more troops to North Carolina for continued Hurricane Helene response

Hurricane Helene caused catastrophic damage from Florida into the Appalachian mountains and killed more than 225 people across multiple states.
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