Hey CR, you laughing at us yet?

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I know that you're far less amused than horrified, because of what Trump 2.0 is going to mean for your region and the world, frankly.

But Costa Rica, at least, has a right for at least a little giggle. Our president is actually nominating a TV news personality for Secretary of Defense. You have been through so much as a nation, some of it at our hands directly or indirectly. I don't know the whole history of your country, but I doubt you've ever had anything so ridiculous as that, nor anything as dangerous any time in our lifetimes.

America is the laughingstock of the world. Most of the countries laughing at us really don't deserve to, given their own histories, but Costa Rica probably has a pretty good claim.
 
I’ve been to Costa Rica. Really cool place. Highly recommend. Plenty of expats there.
As far as the world laughing at us? That’s been going on for over 30 years now, when Ronnie Raygun lost his marbles and Nancy ran the country based on astrology. Just say no.
 
I'm originally from Nicaragua...so yes, I have seen all sorts of crazy shit go down politically. Ive now lived in Costa Rica for more than 30 years which usually has a more boring political landscape, though that's also changed in the last ten years (we shifted from a two party pendulum to a multi-party free for all). We have our own problems to solve...and to be honest we can't afford the luxury of laughing at the US. We are in your orbit of influence...last thing we want to do is piss off an incoming US President. There's a saying down here "When the US sneezes, Central America catches a cold."

Laughingstock might be a tad strong; most countries have times in their history that bewilder outsiders. I think in some circles foreigners perceive Americans as crass....Trump is just a natural extension of that personality and thus not necessarily a surprise. What confounds many foreigners I've talked to (not just from CR), is that this is the best you can do from a candidate perspective? So many talented, brilliant people in the US but we ended up with a contest with two 70 year olds past their prime. I'm not sure foreigners (aside from some euros) understand the implications of a second Trump term, or better said what the worst scenario under Trump could look like.

America at its best can be an inspiration for countries around the world. I'm a glass half full type of guy, so I want to keep the faith that America can still be capable of global leadership. I much prefer to live in a world where Western type values are the ideal, as opposed to say a world dominated by say China. These four years will be a challenge; Trump has made it abundantly clear that he puts America First, global consequences be damned. I'm also concerned about the future of democracy...to me that was the most damaging effect of Trump's first term (the damage he has done in continually questioning the validity of the 2020 election has done substantial damage) . If the beacon of democracy takes a turn towards tribalism, what hope do the rest of us have?
 
CR is a place I was considering retiring to when the time comes. Still a possibility. Vacationed there with the family earlier this year in large part to check it out for that reason.
 
The United States is such a laughingstock that people are taking a risk to get here illegally. Definitely could be a bumpy 4 years, but I cannot think of a country I'd rather live in. Of course NC has a little insulation with the council of state being mostly Democratic. Thank goodness for Federalism
 
The United States is such a laughingstock that people are taking a risk to get here illegally. Definitely could be a bumpy 4 years, but I cannot think of a country I'd rather live in. Of course NC has a little insulation with the council of state being mostly Democratic. Thank goodness for Federalism
The US has definitely been a desirable destination for migrants from around the world for over a century now. I agree with you there's no place I'd rather live. The concern, though, is not that an emerging country like Costa Rica will be a better place to live than the US when MAGA has its way. It's that a collapse of the US will drag the rest of the world down with it.
 
The United States is such a laughingstock that people are taking a risk to get here illegally. Definitely could be a bumpy 4 years, but I cannot think of a country I'd rather live in. Of course NC has a little insulation with the council of state being mostly Democratic. Thank goodness for Federalism
The United States is still a global powerhouse economically and militarily but completely broken socially and politically. Poor immigrants crossing our border to escape countries run by historically corrupt governments and ravaged by violence isn't much of a flex.
 
The United States is still a global powerhouse economically and militarily but completely broken socially and politically. Poor immigrants crossing our border to escape countries run by historically corrupt governments and ravaged by violence isn't much of a flex.

Socially broken for sure. Hopefully we can make some progress in that area.
 
I'm originally from Nicaragua...so yes, I have seen all sorts of crazy shit go down politically. Ive now lived in Costa Rica for more than 30 years which usually has a more boring political landscape, though that's also changed in the last ten years (we shifted from a two party pendulum to a multi-party free for all). We have our own problems to solve...and to be honest we can't afford the luxury of laughing at the US. We are in your orbit of influence...last thing we want to do is piss off an incoming US President. There's a saying down here "When the US sneezes, Central America catches a cold."

Laughingstock might be a tad strong; most countries have times in their history that bewilder outsiders. I think in some circles foreigners perceive Americans as crass....Trump is just a natural extension of that personality and thus not necessarily a surprise. What confounds many foreigners I've talked to (not just from CR), is that this is the best you can do from a candidate perspective? So many talented, brilliant people in the US but we ended up with a contest with two 70 year olds past their prime. I'm not sure foreigners (aside from some euros) understand the implications of a second Trump term, or better said what the worst scenario under Trump could look like.

America at its best can be an inspiration for countries around the world. I'm a glass half full type of guy, so I want to keep the faith that America can still be capable of global leadership. I much prefer to live in a world where Western type values are the ideal, as opposed to say a world dominated by say China. These four years will be a challenge; Trump has made it abundantly clear that he puts America First, global consequences be damned. I'm also concerned about the future of democracy...to me that was the most damaging effect of Trump's first term (the damage he has done in continually questioning the validity of the 2020 election has done substantial damage) . If the beacon of democracy takes a turn towards tribalism, what hope do the rest of us have?
1. By CR, I meant you, not the country. Are you laughing at us?
2. Let me offer one revision. Trump has made it abundantly clear that he puts Trump First, Second and all the way through to Last. But from your perspective that doesn't make all that much difference. Bad for you either way.
3. I think what those foreigners don't understand -- and I didn't understand until this election -- is that the GOP doesn't hold its nose in the voting booth. Trump is the guy they want.

You know a ton about the US, but I'm not sure if you know details like the analogy I'm about to use. If you do, it's not an insult. I just want to make sure we're all on the same page. I talk about drained-pool politics, and the reference there was to the mass closing of public swimming pools all over the South after integration. When courts ordered the pools to be open to everybody, Southerners responded by closing and filling in the pools. They preferred to deprive themselves of something nice, because depriving black people of it was more appealing.

Trump is drained-pool politics. His voters would prefer to burn the country down than share it. That these same people regard Sherman as a villain when they are doing the same thing -- minus the military considerations and the just retribution aspect of it all -- is simply what they do.

4. In other words, while you can wonder how the Dems ended up with Biden as the best standard bearer, the question about Trump is a bit different. We should be asking how so many Americans have come to the point of self-immolation. And the answer is a combination of repressed toxic racism and hatred of others, right-wing media disinformation, and gerrymandering.

We're the only country I know of that has anything like the Senate -- i.e. a division of the country in a way that gives some of its citizens far more voting power than others, based solely on their residence. We're definitely the only one that uses an Electoral College. In most democracies, where there are no "safe states," everyone's vote matters. Not so in America.

So what this means is that the radical ideas can percolate and then be absorbed by the mainstream because in so many places, there is no force pulling anyone to the center. The best way to ensure a long career in Congress for a GOP member is to make sure nobody can attack you from the right-flank. And thus do we get MTG.

It also means that we have our political decisions made by the least informed people, who are often the least informed because they aren't very intelligent. I've often expressed my view that we value "intelligence" too highly (in this country at least; maybe globally too), by which I mean we give it a social status that it doesn't deserve. The flip side, of course, is that people desperately try to avoid the "stupid" label because it's seen as so pejorative. And that's a problem because half the country is, by definition, below average intelligence. And that's fine. They can't help it. They should be respected. But it's a bad idea for them to be making critical decisions for the country, which is what we have now.
 
The United States is such a laughingstock that people are taking a risk to get here illegally. Definitely could be a bumpy 4 years, but I cannot think of a country I'd rather live in. Of course NC has a little insulation with the council of state being mostly Democratic. Thank goodness for Federalism
Starving people will climb over broken glass to get food. It doesn't mean they think the glass is great.

But more importantly, I'm not necessarily talking about poor people in central American countries. I'm talking about the leaders who govern those countries, the educated people who Americans are more likely to know because those people sometimes work in the US or at least work with Americans in any number of ways. We are surely a laughingstock to them. And if they aren't laughing, it's only because they are as scared as we are.

The odds of Trump causing a world war are higher than Trump doing anything good for America.

I've been worried about the following scenario. Putin finishes up in Ukraine. He then invades Poland, giving Trump an opportunity to decline to offer assistance and thus decimate NATO in a single act -- since an alliance without actual allies is worthless. But Europe will defend itself somehow. Without American leadership, and without the NATO infrastructure, they will probably put together something of an ad hoc alliance/coalition. Don't know if that would go nuclear, because nobody really wants to blow themselves to smithereens, but it could definitely be a brutal war. Especially if North Korea is as aligned with Moscow as it might appear, as that might then bring in China.
 
1. By CR, I meant you, not the country. Are you laughing at us?
2. Let me offer one revision. Trump has made it abundantly clear that he puts Trump First, Second and all the way through to Last. But from your perspective that doesn't make all that much difference. Bad for you either way.
3. I think what those foreigners don't understand -- and I didn't understand until this election -- is that the GOP doesn't hold its nose in the voting booth. Trump is the guy they want.

You know a ton about the US, but I'm not sure if you know details like the analogy I'm about to use. If you do, it's not an insult. I just want to make sure we're all on the same page. I talk about drained-pool politics, and the reference there was to the mass closing of public swimming pools all over the South after integration. When courts ordered the pools to be open to everybody, Southerners responded by closing and filling in the pools. They preferred to deprive themselves of something nice, because depriving black people of it was more appealing.

Trump is drained-pool politics. His voters would prefer to burn the country down than share it. That these same people regard Sherman as a villain when they are doing the same thing -- minus the military considerations and the just retribution aspect of it all -- is simply what they do.

4. In other words, while you can wonder how the Dems ended up with Biden as the best standard bearer, the question about Trump is a bit different. We should be asking how so many Americans have come to the point of self-immolation. And the answer is a combination of repressed toxic racism and hatred of others, right-wing media disinformation, and gerrymandering.

We're the only country I know of that has anything like the Senate -- i.e. a division of the country in a way that gives some of its citizens far more voting power than others, based solely on their residence. We're definitely the only one that uses an Electoral College. In most democracies, where there are no "safe states," everyone's vote matters. Not so in America.

So what this means is that the radical ideas can percolate and then be absorbed by the mainstream because in so many places, there is no force pulling anyone to the center. The best way to ensure a long career in Congress for a GOP member is to make sure nobody can attack you from the right-flank. And thus do we get MTG.

It also means that we have our political decisions made by the least informed people, who are often the least informed because they aren't very intelligent. I've often expressed my view that we value "intelligence" too highly (in this country at least; maybe globally too), by which I mean we give it a social status that it doesn't deserve. The flip side, of course, is that people desperately try to avoid the "stupid" label because it's seen as so pejorative. And that's a problem because half the country is, by definition, below average intelligence. And that's fine. They can't help it. They should be respected. But it's a bad idea for them to be making critical decisions for the country, which is what we have now.
I think the thing that many miss is how difficult it is to even run a campaign for POTUS. Then if you win it is the most stressful and difficult 4 to 8 years of your life. It is not really a wonder why the candidate pool is not great most of the time. It takes a particular type of person to even want to get into that pool.
 
I think the thing that many miss is how difficult it is to even run a campaign for POTUS. Then if you win it is the most stressful and difficult 4 to 8 years of your life. It is not really a wonder why the candidate pool is not great most of the time. It takes a particular type of person to even want to get into that pool.
I'm not sure this is really accurate. Most of the Dem candidates in 2020 were highly intelligent, qualified people who would do very well as president. Bernie, Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar -- all of them can compare favorably with other world leaders who we look upon favorably. Is Merkel any smarter than Mayor Pete (she does have a PhD in quantum chemistry, but I'd bet Pete could have if that was his thing).

Romney was a douche but a qualified person with the intellectual ability to be president (though his ideology was bad). John McCain was good enough to be a bad president, if you know what I mean. We really went off the rails first with W, and then with Trump. In the modern primary system, those were the only two truly awful ones (I wasn't around for McGovern).
 
I'm not sure this is really accurate. Most of the Dem candidates in 2020 were highly intelligent, qualified people who would do very well as president. Bernie, Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar -- all of them can compare favorably with other world leaders who we look upon favorably. Is Merkel any smarter than Mayor Pete (she does have a PhD in quantum chemistry, but I'd bet Pete could have if that was his thing).

Romney was a douche but a qualified person with the intellectual ability to be president (though his ideology was bad). John McCain was good enough to be a bad president, if you know what I mean. We really went off the rails first with W, and then with Trump. In the modern primary system, those were the only two truly awful ones (I wasn't around for McGovern).
In no world was Pete Buttigieg qualified to be President in 2020. His experience at the time was mayor of a mid size town in a mid size state. Very smart, but not experienced to run the worlds most powerful country. With that said, he probably would have done the best job of anyone not named Joe Biden. Bernie, EW and Klobuchar were only marginally qualified in comparison to the usual poor choices that we are faced with. The people who want the job are very often the people least qualified. Sometimes those people are well meaning, sometimes not. The people who would do the best job for the country (IMO) do not want the limelight and will never seek the position or even the precursor positions that lead to a viable run to the White House.
 
In no world was Pete Buttigieg qualified to be President in 2020. His experience at the time was mayor of a mid size town in a mid size state. Very smart, but not experienced to run the worlds most powerful country.
OK, fair enough. All the people I mentioned were very smart and qualified; Pete was very smart and less qualified.
 
1. By CR, I meant you, not the country. Are you laughing at us?
2. Let me offer one revision. Trump has made it abundantly clear that he puts Trump First, Second and all the way through to Last. But from your perspective that doesn't make all that much difference. Bad for you either way.
3. I think what those foreigners don't understand -- and I didn't understand until this election -- is that the GOP doesn't hold its nose in the voting booth. Trump is the guy they want.

You know a ton about the US, but I'm not sure if you know details like the analogy I'm about to use. If you do, it's not an insult. I just want to make sure we're all on the same page. I talk about drained-pool politics, and the reference there was to the mass closing of public swimming pools all over the South after integration. When courts ordered the pools to be open to everybody, Southerners responded by closing and filling in the pools. They preferred to deprive themselves of something nice, because depriving black people of it was more appealing.

Trump is drained-pool politics. His voters would prefer to burn the country down than share it. That these same people regard Sherman as a villain when they are doing the same thing -- minus the military considerations and the just retribution aspect of it all -- is simply what they do.

4. In other words, while you can wonder how the Dems ended up with Biden as the best standard bearer, the question about Trump is a bit different. We should be asking how so many Americans have come to the point of self-immolation. And the answer is a combination of repressed toxic racism and hatred of others, right-wing media disinformation, and gerrymandering.

We're the only country I know of that has anything like the Senate -- i.e. a division of the country in a way that gives some of its citizens far more voting power than others, based solely on their residence. We're definitely the only one that uses an Electoral College. In most democracies, where there are no "safe states," everyone's vote matters. Not so in America.

So what this means is that the radical ideas can percolate and then be absorbed by the mainstream because in so many places, there is no force pulling anyone to the center. The best way to ensure a long career in Congress for a GOP member is to make sure nobody can attack you from the right-flank. And thus do we get MTG.

It also means that we have our political decisions made by the least informed people, who are often the least informed because they aren't very intelligent. I've often expressed my view that we value "intelligence" too highly (in this country at least; maybe globally too), by which I mean we give it a social status that it doesn't deserve. The flip side, of course, is that people desperately try to avoid the "stupid" label because it's seen as so pejorative. And that's a problem because half the country is, by definition, below average intelligence. And that's fine. They can't help it. They should be respected. But it's a bad idea for them to be making critical decisions for the country, which is what we have now.

1. I'm not laughing. A little sad and concerned. My native country has seen a dictator in power since 2008 (that guy came back into power through a popular vote at that time after being ousted in 1990 in a miracle of a vote after te years of a bloody civil war). The common saying that has always applied to Nicaragua is that countries deserve the leaders they elect; think that saying applies to many countries...and now sadly to the US.

2. Agreed that Trump serves himself first. And that way of thinking shapes his worldview. America needs to go to the head of the table, everyone else be damned.

3. I would agree with that...think the euros in particular have a hard time assimilating that. Also, I'm well aware of the drained pool history.

4. I'm not sure the conditions that have led Trump to come to power are uniquely American. We can see similar phenomenons in other countries, both throughout time (early 30s Europe comes to mind in Italy, Germany and Spain) and currently (Turkey, Hungary, India, among others). Think their is a thirst for authoritarian leadership....you'd think the US was immune to that, but this election proved to the contrary. The uneducated masses can get riled up by the right populist.

5. Out of curiosity, I looked up bicameral legislatures...was surprised that its more prevalent than I thought. Without going too deep into the rabbit hole, it looks like the Senate system in the US is not very common ( a few examples out there but none quite with the power of the Senate). Electoral college is definitely a very weird aspect of the American political system.
 
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