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superrific said:
I disagree. If this shit lingers for a long time, then sure. But if we get control in 2028 -- which looks increasingly likely given how much MAGA is shitting the bed -- then a lot of it can get fixed with a few changes. They will be need to be big and bold changes, but if there's a will, there's a way.

Some of the more important things, in my opinion, are:

1. Neutering the Supreme Court'
2. Amending the constitution to get rid of the unitary executive theory -- a possibility if the dem president starts doing unitary executive things.
3. 14th Amendment as fully enforceable
4. No more gerrymandering
5. Replace the Second Amendment with something considerably narrower in scope
6. Judicial reform -- a lot of it. No more life tenure. Non-partisan appointment and retention process.
7. Explicitly outlaw originalism.

But most of this can get done in one big beautiful amendment. And the Dem president can force the GOP's hand by giving them an offer they can't refuse: either they play ball and help fix these problems, or the president will use the unitary executive power to reconstruct the South on his own terms. Start arbitrarily deporting white Southerners to African countries and I'll bet they'd play ball in a hurry.
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When I'm chosen as benevolent dictator, I'm putting you in charge of reform. I just don't think that has a Jim Inhofe chance in hell of happening.
 
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superrific said:
I disagree. If this shit lingers for a long time, then sure. But if we get control in 2028 -- which looks increasingly likely given how much MAGA is shitting the bed -- then a lot of it can get fixed with a few changes. They will be need to be big and bold changes, but if there's a will, there's a way.

Some of the more important things, in my opinion, are:

1. Neutering the Supreme Court'
2. Amending the constitution to get rid of the unitary executive theory -- a possibility if the dem president starts doing unitary executive things.
3. 14th Amendment as fully enforceable
4. No more gerrymandering
5. Replace the Second Amendment with something considerably narrower in scope
6. Judicial reform -- a lot of it. No more life tenure. Non-partisan appointment and retention process.
7. Explicitly outlaw originalism.

But most of this can get done in one big beautiful amendment. And the Dem president can force the GOP's hand by giving them an offer they can't refuse: either they play ball and help fix these problems, or the president will use the unitary executive power to reconstruct the South on his own terms. Start arbitrarily deporting white Southerners to African countries and I'll bet they'd play ball in a hurry.
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Anything that has to do with changing/amending the Constitution is a non-starter. It won’t pass Congress - not the House, not the Senate. It certainly won’t be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

Democrats have to take the Senate with a LARGE majority. Democrats might not take the Senate with a TINY majority.

Even with a dramatic economic downturn, I don’t see Democrats winning Senate races in red states. Then, we have both legislative and congressional gerrymandering in many (most?) red states.
 
superrific said:
I disagree. If this shit lingers for a long time, then sure. But if we get control in 2028 -- which looks increasingly likely given how much MAGA is shitting the bed -- then a lot of it can get fixed with a few changes. They will be need to be big and bold changes, but if there's a will, there's a way.

Some of the more important things, in my opinion, are:

1. Neutering the Supreme Court'
2. Amending the constitution to get rid of the unitary executive theory -- a possibility if the dem president starts doing unitary executive things.
3. 14th Amendment as fully enforceable
4. No more gerrymandering
5. Replace the Second Amendment with something considerably narrower in scope
6. Judicial reform -- a lot of it. No more life tenure. Non-partisan appointment and retention process.
7. Explicitly outlaw originalism.

But most of this can get done in one big beautiful amendment. And the Dem president can force the GOP's hand by giving them an offer they can't refuse: either they play ball and help fix these problems, or the president will use the unitary executive power to reconstruct the South on his own terms. Start arbitrarily deporting white Southerners to African countries and I'll bet they'd play ball in a hurry.
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Good luck with that. My guess is none of that will happen. Wonder why? And you’ll be back on here bemoaning our fate and plotting a course of action that the average American couldn’t give a fuck about.
 
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BillOfRights said:
How long will it take to rebuild America into the country it once was? My children will live their lives in a diminished version of what we once were. Will America get back to the imperfect but still great country we once were in time for them to enjoy it?

It took years to recover economically from COVID, and we are probably not there yet. How long will it take to recover from the economic damage of the trump years? The tax policy, the debt, the job losses, the lack of business vitality, the diminished economic growth caused by tariffs?

How long until the bottom 50% can get back to level?

How long until we regain our soft power and influence around the world?

How long until other countries trust our intelligence services again?

How long until we can trust SCOTUS?

How long until we can trust the federal government's data?

How long will it take to reverse the loss of intitutional knowledge, expertise, and the brain drain caused by DOGE, destroying our scientific and medical agencies, and the war against our great universities?

How long until we can trust ICE?

How long until we can trust our friends and neighbors again?

How long until empathy and compassion are looked upon favorably?

The damage of trump may be irreparable.
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These are very good questions which vex me as an old codger. I don't worry too much about me because I am white and a straight white male who will be ok for a few years. I worry a great about what the future will be for my kids and grandkids if your questions are not answered in the affirmative in the next 5- 10 years
 
heelinhell said:
These are very good questions which vex me as an old codger. I don't worry too much about me because I am white and a straight white male who will be ok for a few years. I worry a great about what the future will be for my kids and grandkids if your questions are not answered in the affirmative in the next 5- 10 years
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I'm old and white but three of my four grandkids are biracial or multiracial.
 
superrific said:
I disagree. If this shit lingers for a long time, then sure. But if we get control in 2028 -- which looks increasingly likely given how much MAGA is shitting the bed -- then a lot of it can get fixed with a few changes. They will be need to be big and bold changes, but if there's a will, there's a way.

Some of the more important things, in my opinion, are:

1. Neutering the Supreme Court'
2. Amending the constitution to get rid of the unitary executive theory -- a possibility if the dem president starts doing unitary executive things.
3. 14th Amendment as fully enforceable
4. No more gerrymandering
5. Replace the Second Amendment with something considerably narrower in scope
6. Judicial reform -- a lot of it. No more life tenure. Non-partisan appointment and retention process.
7. Explicitly outlaw originalism.

But most of this can get done in one big beautiful amendment. And the Dem president can force the GOP's hand by giving them an offer they can't refuse: either they play ball and help fix these problems, or the president will use the unitary executive power to reconstruct the South on his own terms. Start arbitrarily deporting white Southerners to African countries and I'll bet they'd play ball in a hurry.
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#4 is the single biggest item
 
Purple Nurple said:
Perhaps it’s time for some sort of intelligence test, or minimum IQ, to be able to vote. Why should stupid people get an equal say so in matters they don’t understand?
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What’s the cut off number?
How would it be measured?

Half the country is below average so they probably deserve equal representation.
 
It’s going to be tough with every moron in America becoming ultra politically active. America was greater prior to their United participation.
 
Zoo_View said:
Democrats have to take the Senate with a LARGE majority. Democrats might not take the Senate with a TINY majority.

Even with a dramatic economic downturn, I don’t see Democrats winning Senate races in red states. Then, we have both legislative and congressional gerrymandering in many (most?) red state
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One thing I have come to believe as fact, is that Republicans know way more about winning elections. What gets my attention is that its obvious that the Republicans strategists (who knows how to win) are laughing at Democrats and think they have a good shot at winning in 2028 simply because they know Democrats will go into that election with more of the same. There's no need to draw a picture as to what more of the same actually is. But they may be right that Democrats surely will.

I think I saw Chuck Todd make a pretty good case the other day that it usually takes two beat downs for Democrats to learn their lesson . He gives 1984 and 1988 as examples. The upcoming midterms will surely be a contain Trump election and the Democrats will conclude that they are on the right path going into 2028. They surely won't. So it may be at least till 2032 before substantial political control will change.
 
BlueSmoke said:
One thing I have come to believe as fact, is that Republicans know way more about winning elections. What gets my attention is that its obvious that the Republicans strategists (who knows how to win) are laughing at Democrats and think they have a good shot at winning in 2028 simply because they know Democrats will go into that election with more of the same. There's no need to draw a picture as to what more of the same actually is. But they may be right that Democrats surely will.

I think I saw Chuck Todd make a pretty good case the other day that it usually takes two beat downs for Democrats to learn their lesson . He gives 1984 and 1988 as examples. The upcoming midterms will surely be a contain Trump election and the Democrats will conclude that they are on the right path going into 2028. They surely won't. So it may be at least till 2032 before substantial political control will change.
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Not necessarily.
 
BlueSmoke said:
One thing I have come to believe as fact, is that Republicans know way more about winning elections. What gets my attention is that its obvious that the Republicans strategists (who knows how to win) are laughing at Democrats and think they have a good shot at winning in 2028 simply because they know Democrats will go into that election with more of the same. There's no need to draw a picture as to what more of the same actually is. But they may be right that Democrats surely will.

I think I saw Chuck Todd make a pretty good case the other day that it usually takes two beat downs for Democrats to learn their lesson . He gives 1984 and 1988 as examples. The upcoming midterms will surely be a contain Trump election and the Democrats will conclude that they are on the right path going into 2028. They surely won't. So it may be at least till 2032 before substantial political control will change.
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I agree with you that GQPers are very skilled at winning elections despite being incompetent as a governing party.

The GQP has been a minority party for decades. In the Senate GQPers represent less than 40% of the country.

Horrible governing party representing fewer and fewer Americans yet winning elections including a twice impeached president convicted of 34 felonies and was found liable for sexual abuse ?

You have to give props to the GQP for figuring out ways to win elections.

Dems representing the American majority and governing in a way that has improved the lives of working and middle class American families for 70 years ?

Unfortunately, the Dems think excellent governance "trumps " campaign "strategery "...Somewhere in hell Lee Atwater and Roger Ailes are laughing their asses off:ROFLMAO:
 
BlueSmoke said:
One thing I have come to believe as fact, is that Republicans know way more about winning elections. What gets my attention is that its obvious that the Republicans strategists (who knows how to win) are laughing at Democrats and think they have a good shot at winning in 2028 simply because they know Democrats will go into that election with more of the same. There's no need to draw a picture as to what more of the same actually is. But they may be right that Democrats surely will.

I think I saw Chuck Todd make a pretty good case the other day that it usually takes two beat downs for Democrats to learn their lesson . He gives 1984 and 1988 as examples. The upcoming midterms will surely be a contain Trump election and the Democrats will conclude that they are on the right path going into 2028. They surely won't. So it may be at least till 2032 before substantial political control will change.
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If Democrats don't win big in 2026 and 2028, it's over. There won't be a chance for change in 2032. There likely won't even be an election.

P.S. - Chuck Todd is a bosidesing idiot.
 
heelinhell said:
I agree with you that GQPers are very skilled at winning elections despite being incompetent as a governing party.

The GQP has been a minority party for decades. In the Senate GQPers represent less than 40% of the country.

Horrible governing party representing fewer and fewer Americans yet winning elections including a twice impeached president convicted of 34 felonies and was found liable for sexual abuse ?

You have to give props to the GQP for figuring out ways to win elections.

Dems representing the American majority and governing in a way that has improved the lives of working and middle class American families for 70 years ?

Unfortunately, the Dems think excellent governance "trumps " campaign "strategery "...Somewhere in hell Lee Atwater and Roger Ailes are laughing their asses off:ROFLMAO:
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Everytime I read some absurd post by a drive-by troll, I think he must not be a fan of Kurt Vonnegut novels. Because if he was a fan, he would remember this quote from the novel Mother Night, "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be."
 
BlueSmoke said:
One thing I have come to believe as fact, is that Republicans know way more about winning elections. What gets my attention is that its obvious that the Republicans strategists (who knows how to win) are laughing at Democrats and think they have a good shot at winning in 2028 simply because they know Democrats will go into that election with more of the same. There's no need to draw a picture as to what more of the same actually is. But they may be right that Democrats surely will.

I think I saw Chuck Todd make a pretty good case the other day that it usually takes two beat downs for Democrats to learn their lesson . He gives 1984 and 1988 as examples. The upcoming midterms will surely be a contain Trump election and the Democrats will conclude that they are on the right path going into 2028. They surely won't. So it may be at least till 2032 before substantial political control will change.
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It wasn’t two ass-whuppins in a row in 1984 and 1988; it was three. - 1980 was also a blowout……and 5 out of 6 from ‘68 thru ‘88.
 
I will add in the fact that a sitting president directly threatened a US citizen, Elon musk, with "very serious consequences" if he decided to support Democratic candidates. That's pretty crazy shit right there.
 
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