How Non MAGA Conservatives View Trump

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Callatoroy

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I previously stated on here that many republicans in and out of g’ment would begin to turn away from trump as he moved closer to lame duck status. That has started but will continue to grow, and will get ugly after the midterms. This editorial from The Telegraph sums up my feelings in a way I have never been able to articulate. I don’t expect many to agree and there will be some who refuse to even attempt to apply any sense of objectivity, but this explains my (and what I would guess is 75% of trump voters) vote for trump. Davos was bad and trump will likely get more petty as time moves closer to him being a complete boat anchor on elections. How could anyone see what a miserable human he is and still vote for him? Here is the answer.

 
Callatoroy said:
I previously stated on here that many republicans in and out of g’ment would begin to turn away from trump as he moved closer to lame duck status. That has started but will continue to grow, and will get ugly after the midterms. This editorial from The Telegraph sums up my feelings in a way I have never been able to articulate. I don’t expect many to agree and there will be some who refuse to even attempt to apply any sense of objectivity, but this explains my (and what I would guess is 75% of trump voters) vote for trump. Davos was bad and trump will likely get more petty as time moves closer to him being a complete boat anchor on elections. How could anyone see what a miserable human he is and still vote for him? Here is the answer.

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What a fucking pile of bullshit. Conservative policies have failed everybody but white Christian males and their toadies That's indisputable and damned near any study of economics in the US over the last 75 years will show it.
 
Trump has always been a caricature. This is what you elected because this is what you wanted. “Look over” there is not an appropriate justification. In addition, there was only one incompetent person running for president. And it sure as hell wasn’t Harris.

You don’t understand the Democratic Party and its goals. You never have because you have never bothered to try. All we want, have ever wanted, is for the American Dream to be available to as many people as possible, and for the world to work together, rather than compete for resources.

So, no, that poorly written article, which reads like it was written by a college freshman, in a remedial writing course, at 4 o’clock in the morning, the day after it was due, doesn’t explain shit.
 
Here’s how I view Trump voters who don’t really “love” Trump.

2016 - I never liked him, always thought he was a con man, and even though I didn’t want to, I voted for Hillary. Anyone can screw up once (I voted for GWB in 2000) so as much as I knew those Trump voters were wrong, I could forgive.

2020 - Thought anyone who voted for him a second time was crazy, putting the future of the country in danger, and I couldn’t forgive. BUT, that said, I know a lot of 2016 voters were basing their decision on SCOTUS, and he did deliver that, so on some level I “got it” even if the COVID disaster didn’t sway them.

2024 - After 1/6/2021, Project 2025, the campaign leading up to election…no more passes. Screw policy, and political leanings…it is/was clear that our foundation of democracy was hanging in the balance, and if anyone voted for him a third time they’re part of the MAGA cult in my eyes. No “yeah, buts” in Jan 2029…you 100% own whatever happens the next 3 years and beyond.
 
finesse said:
What a fucking pile of bullshit. Conservative policies have failed everybody but white Christian males and their toadies That's indisputable and damned near any study of economics in the US over the last 75 years will show it.
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Those policies have failed white Christian males as well, just less than others. Said policies have never been about prosperity; they have been about establishing a pecking order so that idiots can feel above the how polloi.
 
finesse said:
What a fucking pile of bullshit. Conservative policies have failed everybody but white Christian males and their toadies That's indisputable and damned near any study of economics in the US over the last 75 years will show it.
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I agree. It is an utterly destructive ideology.

MAGA is essentially conservatism stripped naked.
 
For real, though, how in the fuck can anyone act like Trump is anything, but, what he has always been. This is who Trump was in the 80s. It is who he was when you all elected him in 2016. We have been telling you this for decades. It is not our fault that you refused to listen. @Callatory do better. There may be a case for non-Mags pubs who voted for Trump, but that article ain’t it.
 
So just so I get this straight, this..."writer" is claiming that all of you Trump voters were willing to throw the entire country into chaos, roll back 250 years of tried-and-true democracy, plunge us into an autocratic oligarchy that uses its military to terrorize and kill its own citizens, completely dismantle every international alliance that has helped to keep us safe and prosperous for the past quarter of a century, while also dismantling our education system, our science and arts community, our standing as the world leader and beacon of peace, as well as removing us from the World Health Organization and whitewashing our history in every federal museum across the country, etc etc all of that, every bit of that dark madness and horrifying fear that he's plunged our country into...all of that, just so transgender kids couldn't play sports, minorities couldn't get equal footing in education and careers, just so there wasn't a reduction in smog in the air, clean drinking water, less reliance on coal and gas, and the use of pronouns to identify oneself.

And the sad thing is, you present this article as some kind of defense for what you've done to this country, as if the ledger is equally balanced on both sides, and you just made the entirely reasonable and appropriate choice of mass carnage over a few libs making you refer to them as "They/Them."

Is there any capacity for shame with you people?
 
Thank you for that article. I have no disagreement with his analysis of what binds MAGA conservatives to Trump and as you suggest 75% of Trump voters including yourself.

Essentially, the allegiance to Trump has little to do if anything regarding economics or foreign policy. It is his "concern" about DEI, transgenders, and brown skin hordes invading the border. This has been my supposition for years.

I commend the author for unabashedly touting and making clear what binds most conservatives to Trump.

I hope your thread will be treated with respect, and I truly appreciate your efforts to engage the board with a conservative perspective (y)
 
I read the title of the article and immediately clicked the “X”. I just assume that another disingenuous Murdock toadie is trying to cover his ass and the asses of his caste system handlers.

Edited to say ok ok I read it. It was precisely the type of self pardoning and whitewashing tripe I expected. Or what Wayne said. It is like justifying the nuking of Beijing in order to assassinate one man.
 
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LeoBloom said:
BTW, any sense of objectivity would see how biased and ridiculous that article is.
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It was a masterclass in begging the question.

Why couldn’t I vote for Kamala? Because she would be a terrible president, duh. Why do I hate DEI? Because it’s destructive.
 
Take it from me, a 2016 Trump voter and an actual conservative (if conservatism actually means being in favor of protecting individual rights and personal liberties, no government intervention in the private lives of its citizens, belief in projecting strength abroad through a powerful, well-trained military but most importantly through well-cultivated alliances, secure national borders but not a closed off system of immigration, low taxes, and a social safety net that provides a helping hand up): this article is absolutely awful.

Nobody who is an actual conservative thinks that shredding the Constitution, destroying our alliances, demolishing our hegemony and soft power abroad, making our economy unaffordable and untenable for all but the top 1-2%, siccing a secret police gestapo on American citizens, and blatantly thumbing one’s nose at the law and legal system….was worth it just so that a handful of transgender volleyball players can’t play sports, or a few pink-haired baristas can’t wear pronouns on their badges, or a few more Black people don’t get “good” jobs, or a few more hard-working but technically undocumented immigrants get deported to concentration camps.

Anyone who supported Trump in 2024 hates everything that made America great in the 20th and 21st century, and what made us the strongest, most prosperous country in the history of the world: our diversity, our geopolitical alliances, our ability to project goodwill and soft power to every corner of the globe, our individual freedom to choose to be who we want to be, and the notion that anyone who wanted to come to America and work hard, innovate, and build- literally participate in the proverbial American dream- could do so. Anyone who voted for Donald Trump in 2024 did so because they hate their neighbor’s ability to make their own personal lifestyle choices with which they disagree. It really is as simple as that.

In doing so, everyone who voted for Trump in 2024 because “the transgenders! the Mexicans! but Biden! her weird laugh! the pronouns!” and because they are selfish, insecure, angry, jealous, and bitter of a world that has left their simpleness and close-mindedness in the dust of history, has made it such that the health, wealth, peace, and prosperity of Pax Americana is permanently squandered- and we haven’t even truly begun to feel the true repercussions yet.
 
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Ramrouser said:
Great article. I don’t agree with everything in the article but he generally nails it.
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He absolutely nails the issues that bind today's conservatives to Trump.

It's not Trump's corruption
It's not his mental status
It's not his foreign policies
It's not his economic policies

It's DEI
It's transgenders
It's brown skin invaders crossing the Southern border
 
WaynetheDrain said:
So just so I get this straight, this..."writer" is claiming that all of you Trump voters were willing to throw the entire country into chaos, roll back 250 years of tried-and-true democracy, plunge us into an autocratic oligarchy that uses its military to terrorize and kill its own citizens, completely dismantle every international alliance that has helped to keep us safe and prosperous for the past quarter of a century, while also dismantling our education system, our science and arts community, our standing as the world leader and beacon of peace, as well as removing us from the World Health Organization and whitewashing our history in every federal museum across the country, etc etc all of that, every bit of that dark madness and horrifying fear that he's plunged our country into...all of that, just so transgender kids couldn't play sports, minorities couldn't get equal footing in education and careers, just so there wasn't a reduction in smog in the air, clean drinking water, less reliance on coal and gas, and the use of pronouns to identify oneself.

And the sad thing is, you present this article as some kind of defense for what you've done to this country, as if the ledger is equally balanced on both sides, and you just made the entirely reasonable and appropriate choice of mass carnage over a few libs making you refer to them as "They/Them."

Is there any capacity for shame with you people?
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The problem with your post is it’s rooted in hyperbolic rhetoric which prohibits constructive discussion of what’s really happening because it hasn’t done any of those things. It has changed some of those things and I understand that you dislike them but, for example, it hasn’t “completely dismantled every international alliance….”, because we are still the main engine that drives NATO and that isnt going to change because of trump.
 
Callatoroy said:
The problem with your post is it’s rooted in hyperbolic rhetoric which prohibits constructive discussion of what’s really happening because it hasn’t done any of those things. It has changed some of those things and I understand that you dislike them but, for example, it hasn’t “completely dismantled every international alliance….”, because we are still the main engine that drives NATO and that isnt going to change because of trump.
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Im sorry, but you really don't get to judge hyperbole after posting that article which goes full-on hyperbolic about everything relating to Democrats.
 
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