How Non MAGA Conservatives View Trump

1. It's really a lot like timeouts. You see timeouts working sometimes, and you fall into the common cognitive trap of selective memory -- i.e. you remember the incidents that confirm your thesis (timeouts work), and don't pay attention when they don't.

The only way to assess whether timeouts work is to do a statistical analysis. And statistical analyses have shown that timeouts do not stop "momentum," in part because momentum doesn't really exist. I know, you're going to say, "but, but . . ." and the answer is that scoring runs by one team happen about as much as you'd expect randomly. And when presented with the evidence, you waved it away. You said, it depended on the quality of the team talk, that Coach K's timeouts worked because somehow magically he said something in the huddle that was I guess irreproducible. That, of course, is bullshit. And you were putting it forward to avoid having to admit you were wrong.

2. This is the same pattern over and over again with MAGA. You think A is going to happen because Trump says it; then Z happens, as experts and smart people said; and then you try to make an excuse for why Z happened, or claim that it was really B, or any number of other dodges.

3. If there is one takeaway for you from this dystopia of an administration, maybe it should be this: listen to people who know more than you. Judge speakers by their competence, not their ideology. Stop being personally insulted by reality. For instance, Sarah Palin attended several non-competitive colleges and graduated, I think, from Idaho. Conservatives were offended when we pointed out her lack of education and connected it to the lunatic things she said. You might want Idaho grads to be as competent and intelligent as Harvard grads, but it simply isn't true. It's not even close. Is there an Idaho grad smarter than some Ivy Leaguer? Sure. But on average it's not close.

So ask yourself, why do so many people on your side come from bad universities? Bondi went to Stetson, I think. Rubio to Miami (OH). Kash Patel, to Pace U Law. Again, most generalizations are false in some specifics. Hegseth went to Princeton. But by and large, Dems are educated. AOC, for instance, went to Boston U -- you'd never know that listening to the Fox News ranting. It wasn't always like this.

It also doesn't have to be like that in the future. The reason that educated people are Dems is that you chased out all the educated Pubs. It was Bobby Jindal who said, "I'm tired of us being the party of stupid." Chris Christie decried the "crazies" who didn't like that he appointed a Muslim to the NJ bench. Well, can you name two people who are no longer people in conservative politics?

4. If you can't change this habit of yours, then none of your fake mea culpas will come to anything. I will not have any respect for a person who thumbs their nose at experts and instead embraces quackery and ignorance.
 
As a former Reagan Republican and Constitutionalist, and who recognizes that Russophilia, pro-spheres of influence, anti-free trade, anti-world order, massive deficit spending governance are leftover failed leftist policies from the 60s, anyone who claims to be a conservative and supports Trump doesn't understand the meaning of the word. They are merely sports fan bandwaggoners attached to a cruel, unhinged, and rudderless White House.

Trump is raping the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments as I type. F him, his immigrant wives, and chain migration, card-carrying communist father-in-law.
 
NATO cant set us aside. We are still the security. I know what France and Canada said, but reality is Europe’s has to have us. Not intended to insult you, but I know you are smarter than that. We are most definitely still the unquestioned leader in nato.
You’re confusing being the most powerful member of NATO with being the leader of NATO. In a world that makes sense, they would be one and the same. In the Trump era, they are not.

We’ve abdicated our leadership and NATO knows it.
 
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You’re confusing being the most powerful member of NATO with being the leader of NATO. In a world that makes sense, they would be one and the same. In the Trump era, there are not.

We’ve abdicated our leadership and NATO knows it.
Damn straight. It's appalling and dangerous. Trump is a narcissistic nihilist with no guardrails. "This is how you get ants."
 
If what you say is true, then why are you guys supportive of the creation of the president’s own personal secret police that is going around rounding up our crop pickers, meat packers, construction workers, busboys, housecleaners, landscapers, and service industry workers? Those are all people without whom our economy and our “American dream” doesn’t function.
They’re picking up criminals and gangbangers as well

Biden was the root cause of this. Maybe next Dem President won’t open the border for the world to burst through.
 
I previously stated on here that many republicans in and out of g’ment would begin to turn away from trump as he moved closer to lame duck status. That has started but will continue to grow, and will get ugly after the midterms. This editorial from The Telegraph sums up my feelings in a way I have never been able to articulate. I don’t expect many to agree and there will be some who refuse to even attempt to apply any sense of objectivity, but this explains my (and what I would guess is 75% of trump voters) vote for trump. Davos was bad and trump will likely get more petty as time moves closer to him being a complete boat anchor on elections. How could anyone see what a miserable human he is and still vote for him? Here is the answer.

"How Non MAGA Conservatives View Trump"

As a person: he's easily the single biggest piece of shit even to be president.

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His policies: He has a few good ideas, but his execution is generally so poor that the negatives often out weigh the positives. The southern border was a good idea and not executed that badly.
Deportations are a good idea, but are being executed badly.
 
They’re picking up criminals and gangbangers as well

Biden was the root cause of this. Maybe next Dem President won’t open the border for the world to burst through.
You are such a disingenuous little chode. The Biden administration had a bipartisan bill ready to be signed that would have been a monumental first step is addressing immigration. The Pubs were ready to sign until Trump directed them not to so he can specifically run on it during the campaign.

And instead of getting legislation put into place that could have greatly improved the problem, we get Donald Trump sending the Gestapo into American cities to terrify citizens under the guise of deporting undocumented criminals.

He created the problem by refusing to accept the solution being given to him by a Democratic president, and then he makes the problem 100 times worse with his own special brand of white supremacy.
 
Im not going to speak for trump, but EVERY trump voter I know, most especially me, wants to see this country continue the path of what made this country great. Your characterization omits all nuance of what that is though. We still attract the best and the brightest as it relates to 2026 geopolitics. In fact, I want a merit based immigration system that focuses heavily on the best and brightest. But that isn’t what was happening under Biden. That completely contradicts your assertion that trump voters hate America.

Diversity wasnt a part of what made America great as you stated. It was diversity with assimilation. Without assimilation diversity by itself can become problematic, as Europe’s is finding out. Mass immigration makes assimilation difficult. In my opinion the left doesn’t want to focus on the assimilation part which is where much of the disagreements over immigration come from.
I beleive assimilation is important. But what do Conservatives believe assimilation is? To me it appears that assimilation to Cons means embracing a country that was founded as a Christian nation that doesn’t believe in the separation of church and state.

Please show me the prominent conservative that takes the stance that we respect all religions and differing points of view.
 
You are such a disingenuous little chode. The Biden administration had a bipartisan bill ready to be signed that would have been a monumental first step is addressing immigration. The Pubs were ready to sign until Trump directed them not to so he can specifically run on it during the campaign.
This is true, but that doesn't mean Biden had to wait until 2024 to do something to address the volume at the border.
 
You are such a disingenuous little chode. The Biden administration had a bipartisan bill ready to be signed that would have been a monumental first step is addressing immigration. The Pubs were ready to sign until Trump directed them not to so he can specifically run on it during the campaign.

And instead of getting legislation put into place that could have greatly improved the problem, we get Donald Trump sending the Gestapo into American cities to terrify citizens under the guise of deporting undocumented criminals.

He created the problem by refusing to accept the solution being given to him by a Democratic president, and then he makes the problem 100 times worse with his own special brand of white supremacy.
It's almost like Republicans think a broken immigration system works to their benefit...
 
They’re picking up criminals and gangbangers as well

Biden was the root cause of this. Maybe next Dem President won’t open the border for the world to burst through.
“As well”

Thats the whole crux of the problem! You just nailed it perfectly. Better than I could ever say.

The fact that there is an “as well” and not an “only” is why we hate people like you who are clapping like drunken seals as we goose step our way into police state fascism. But what you don’t understand is that they’ll come for you and yours, too.
 
I truly cannot imagine how completely broken of a soul one must have in order to openly cheer for the murder of American mothers because criminals and gangbangers are getting deported “as well.”
 
They’re picking up criminals and gangbangers as well

Biden was the root cause of this. Maybe next Dem President won’t open the border for the world to burst through.
Or pass the conservative legislation Biden was ready to sign. Biden deported more illegal immigrants than any other POTUS. Trump has been ineffective at deportations but effective at crappying on the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Oh, and he has no problem in beling flooded by WHITE immigrants. Trump is a gd child.

ADULT legislation finds pathways to H-1B Visas that help the American People, not the few billionaires, Mar-a-lago, and blackmailed Latin American dictators. It improves the efficiency of the asylum pathway from communist countries.

It doesn't have ICE removing concrete workers in a massive road construction project in Texas.
 
I truly cannot imagine how completely broken of a soul one must have in order to openly cheer for the murder of American mothers because criminals and gangbangers are getting deported “as well.”
and green card holders, non-criminals, female high school students, etc.

It's the Three Stooges on cocaine.
 
I truly cannot imagine how completely broken of a soul one must have in order to openly cheer for the murder of American mothers because criminals and gangbangers are getting deported “as well.”
Anyone who CHEERED for her death has deep seeded issues that extend beyond politics.
 
My suggestion is don’t waste your time responding to any post i make. If you see my comments in anyway racist then you and I should have no further dialogue and I won’t respond to any more of your posts as there is no reason to engage with anyone who labels people as racist for disagreeing on a topic as broad and nuanced as immigration. Based on your comments any country in the world that restricts free movement is racist. I can’t relate to that and won’t try.


What I randomly think about is the fact that you pale skin supremacists have all the freedom in the world to stay silent, leave ppl alone and just exist, yet it's like there's something in yall's code that is bound and determined to take everyone else to hell with youse.
 
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