How Non MAGA Conservatives View Trump

Wait, are you coming here to actually have legitimate discussion or are you coming here to troll people who disagree with you? Best I can tell, everyone here has been polite and respectful and tried to respond to the article you posted in good faith.
You must have missed my post. Horseshit makes me projectile vomit metaphorically.
 
That’s fine, you are certainly entitled to your interpretation. But your interpretation puts you in a very, very, very infinitesimally small minority around the globe. In what way do you think antagonizing and alienating our closest allies to the point which they will no longer share intelligence with us, makes America great or strong?
Im certainly in an infinitesimally small minority on this board, but not outside this board. I don’t think antagonism of our closest allies makes us great or strong. Those are your words and a mischaracterization.
 
Wait, are you coming here to actually have legitimate discussion or are you coming here to troll people who disagree with you? Best I can tell, everyone here has been polite and respectful and tried to respond to the article you posted in good faith.
Where are you coming up with these assumptions? I haven’t trolled anyone
 
Where are you coming up with these assumptions? I haven’t trolled anyone
People who are highly politically opinionated are often baffled by opposing opinions, to the point that they assume any opposing views have to be trolling because nobody could possibly believe "that".
 
Im certainly in an infinitesimally small minority on this board, but not outside this board. I don’t think antagonism of our closest allies makes us great or strong. Those are your words and a mischaracterization.
Man, MAGA/Trumpism is a small minority even in our own daggum country, lol. Look at the percentage of votes that he got in 2024. He won because Democrats are too stupid and feckless to vote. Look at his poll numbers. They’re historically horrific. He’s not even popular in his own party.

Extrapolate that out to the rest of the world, who all see us as a reckless bully whose POTUS openly fellates the biggest thug authoritarians in the world like Putin and Xi while simultaneously antagonizing our closest allies of friends who have literally shed blood on our behalf just this century alone.

Your view is in an infinitesimally small minority on this board and in the world.
 
I think that some Trump voters do not understand that people dislike him as a person AND dislike his policies.
I think most non trump voters don’t understand that people dislike trump as a person but like his policies. If they could ever understand that there would be far less political bickering.
 
I think most non trump voters don’t understand that people dislike trump as a person but like his policies. If they could ever understand that there would be far less political bickering.
Do you like his policies that are resulting in his gestapo openly violating the fourth amendment and murdering American citizens? Surely that crosses a line for you, right? Surely you find a police state with a secret police force that has full immunity to murder its own citizens a little bit more detestable than transgender people or pronouns, right?
 
People who are highly politically opinionated are often baffled by opposing opinions, to the point that they assume any opposing views have to be trolling because nobody could possibly believe "that".
If it makes you feel better, I don’t believe that you actually believe all of the stuff you say here, because I have a higher opinion of you than that and think that surely you must have to have more intelligence and more principle than the views which you espouse here.
 
“Sorry for your loss, my man” doesn’t add to what has been a good faith conversation so far.
Not going to argue with you over who has posted in good faith and who has posted hostile comments. If you feel as if I have then feel free to not respond, no hard feelings.
 
I think most non trump voters don’t understand that people dislike trump as a person but like his policies. If they could ever understand that there would be far less political bickering.
No, it's both. His policies are an extension of him as a person. They are all wrapped in cruelty, racism, bigotry and how they can help Trump personally. He doesn't give a shit about you or anyone else. He is a sociopath.
 
Not going to argue with you over who has posted in good faith and who has posted hostile comments. If you feel as if I have then feel free to not respond, no hard feelings.
I’m just pointing out #hypocrisy! Figured I would make you a lot of people proud!

Anyway, no, don’t let me derail. Let’s get back to discussing policy. I’ve enjoyed this thread and glad you started it
 
Do you like his policies that are resulting in his gestapo openly violating the fourth amendment and murdering American citizens? Surely that crosses a line for you, right? Surely you find a police state with a secret police force that has full immunity to murder its own citizens a little bit more detestable than transgender people or pronouns, right?
Ford, I know this is a passionate issue for you so I’m going to respectfully not go down that road with you. I will say I disagree with the execution of several of the enforcement actions.
 
This is true, but that doesn't mean Biden had to wait until 2024 to do something to address the volume at the border.
This has been explained to you many times. Biden did not wait until 2024 to do anything. The executive branch cannot just effect changes by rolling out executive orders -- well, until the Supreme Court has allowed Trump to do that.

There were several lawsuits against the executive branch in 2022. One of them, in fact, enjoined the government from changing policies (the 5th circuit, unsurprisingly). The court said that Biden had to follow the APA. Which he had done, but apparently they wanted more APA so Biden complied. They started working on the new regs in 2022.

Just because Trump breaks the law at will does not mean Biden "waited too long."

There is a way for the US to quickly change policies: it's called legislation.
 
They’re picking up criminals and gangbangers as well

Biden was the root cause of this. Maybe next Dem President won’t open the border for the world to burst through.
And I guarantee you if we arrested everyone who is a member of the Georgia Bar we would get some hard core criminals, lots of tax evades, probably a few pedophiles, maybe even a murderer. Seems an awfully lot of squeeze for the juice though doesnt it?
 
If it makes you feel better, I don’t believe that you actually believe all of the stuff you say here, because I have a higher opinion of you than that and think that surely you must have to have more intelligence and more principle than the views which you espouse here.
My posting style tends to be very micro...very specific. So, in the process of responding very specially, it leaves room for a lot of assumptions. If I defend a Trump idea or a specific Trump action, assumptions are often made that I'm a Trump supporter.

I think that's pretty standard on chat forums, as people try to pigeon-hole others.
 
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