How Non MAGA Conservatives View Trump

wmheel1287 said:
And I guarantee you if we arrested everyone who is a member of the Georgia Bar we would get some hard core criminals, lots of tax evades, probably a few pedophiles, maybe even a murderer. Seems an awfully lot of squeeze for the juice though doesnt it?
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Doubt the number would be in the 47% range of criminals that are currently being detained and deported by ICE.
 
wmheel1287 said:
There might be a handful of those people and you might be one of that handful. However, the overwhelming majority of Trump voters act and think as if he is the Messiah and can do absolutely no wrong.
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Strongly disagree. That number is a very small %. I live in the reddest of red areas. I never experience what you are referring to, and haven’t since the election.
 
Callatoroy said:
I previously stated on here that many republicans in and out of g’ment would begin to turn away from trump as he moved closer to lame duck status. That has started but will continue to grow, and will get ugly after the midterms. This editorial from The Telegraph sums up my feelings in a way I have never been able to articulate. I don’t expect many to agree and there will be some who refuse to even attempt to apply any sense of objectivity, but this explains my (and what I would guess is 75% of trump voters) vote for trump. Davos was bad and trump will likely get more petty as time moves closer to him being a complete boat anchor on elections. How could anyone see what a miserable human he is and still vote for him? Here is the answer.

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After Trump America will reject conservatism for a generation+.
 
No one gets the luxury of liking tax cuts, stricter immigration enforcement, or even elimination of DEI but then say “no comment” on untrained, masked, nameless thugs shooting American citizens in the streets of our country under the cover of “law enforcement”.

It’s all or nothing at this point. You’re either with this Administration 100% or you’re not.
 
Ramrouser said:
News to me that 53% of those being detained are being executed and kidnapped. That’s more than the Iranian regime.
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Do we have you on record that you are supportive of a secret police that executes American citizens exercising their constitutional rights along with criminals and gangbangers. Just trying to understand where your line in the sand is, even though I know you don’t have one.
 
superrific said:
This has been explained to you many times. Biden did not wait until 2024 to do anything. The executive branch cannot just effect changes by rolling out executive orders -- well, until the Supreme Court has allowed Trump to do that.

There were several lawsuits against the executive branch in 2022. One of them, in fact, enjoined the government from changing policies (the 5th circuit, unsurprisingly). The court said that Biden had to follow the APA. Which he had done, but apparently they wanted more APA so Biden complied. They started working on the new regs in 2022.

Just because Trump breaks the law at will does not mean Biden "waited too long."

There is a way for the US to quickly change policies: it's called legislation.
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You can try to correct me all you want, but Biden took action in 2024 to address the border issue. There was absolutely no reason that he couldn't have taken action sooner.
 
CFordUNC said:
@Callatoroy help me to understand what you mean. I’m genuinely trying to learn and understand your perspective. Are you saying that your support of Trump’s policies on transgenderism, DEI, immigration, foreign policy, etc. supersedes your own stated disagreement with his American Gestapo executing American citizens? Like, is having a Fourth Amendment-violating secret state police that answers to nobody but the executive branch of the federal government, who can murder American citizens or kidnap children with impunity, isn’t a line too far for you as long as the other policy goals around transgenderism, DEI, etc. etc. are accomplished? I’m sincerely trying to understand what you mean.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, is there no limit to your support? I feel like for me, if there were a president in office who was accomplishing quite literally every single social or fiscal policy aim that I’ve ever had, but who was also recruiting and overseeing a secret state police that was violating the constitution and murdering American citizens, I would be adamantly opposed to that president and would support his removal from office.
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this isn’t a conversation we can have. I refute your rhetoric of a “secret state police that was violating the constitution and murdering American citizens”. If that’s the point you are starting from then it is pointless to discuss. Don’t misinterpret that to mean im supportive of all the actions taken or deny that bad things have happened. Just not going to have an overly emotional discussion where nothing constructive comes from it.
 
RockyMtnHoo said:
No one gets the luxury of liking tax cuts, stricter immigration enforcement, or even elimination of DEI but then say “no comment” on untrained, masked, nameless thugs shooting American citizens in the streets of our country under the cover of “law enforcement”.

It’s all or nothing at this point. You’re either with this Administration 100% or you’re not.
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perfectly sad. Absolutely could not agree more. The fact that we apparently have at least two Trump voters participating on this thread for whom extrajudicial executions of American citizens are some acceptable price to pay, is just proof that nobody who voted for Donald Trump in 2024 can be reasoned with at this point. Anyone who is unable to immediately, unequivocally, reflexively denounce and abhor a secret police killing our own people, regardless of how they feel about quite literally every single other policy achievement, is a completely broken, lost human being worthy of disrespect and derision.

I’d rather fork over 75% of my W-2 and have pronouns tattooed on both ass cheeks as well as my forehead, rather than allowing an American gestapo to execute my fellow countrymen and women for any reason whatsoever. That is not America.
 
Ramrouser said:
Doubt the number would be in the 47% range of criminals that are currently being detained and deported by ICE.
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Ram, if I missed your response on where you disagreed with the editorial I apologize. Sincerely interested. If not wanting to state here shoot me a dm.
 
Callatoroy said:
this isn’t a conversation we can have. I refute your rhetoric of a “secret state police that was violating the constitution and murdering American citizens”. If that’s the point you are starting from then it is pointless to discuss. Don’t misinterpret that to mean im supportive of all the actions taken or deny that bad things have happened. Just not going to have an overly emotional discussion where nothing constructive comes from it.
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This is such a cowardly cop-out. I’m not being emotional. I’m stating my opinion in a clear, concise, good faith manner. This is not a conversation that we can have, because it’s not a conversation that you want to have. And I don’t blame you. You should be embarrassed. You should be humiliated. You should feel shame for your hypocrisy. What you should not do is take it out on people like me who are calmly pointing out your hypocrisy in good faith. And I’m going to continue to do so, and I could not possibly care less whether you respond or not.

You are trying to make an argument that there is no state police force killing American citizens. It happened just today! It happened three weeks ago! Like, what in the world are you even arguing? Are you trying to say that Renee Good wasn’t killed by federal agents, or that the ICU nurse in Minneapolis wasn’t killed by federal agents today? Are you saying that ICE has not been openly granted permission to violate the fourth amendment of the constitution? I’m just trying to understand what in the world you think you’re arguing.
 
CFordUNC said:
This is such a cowardly cop-out. I’m not being emotional. I’m stating my opinion in a clear, concise, good faith manner. This is not a conversation that we can have, because it’s not a conversation that you want to have. And I don’t blame you. You should be embarrassed. You should be humiliated. You should feel shame for your hypocrisy. What you should not do is take it out on people like me who are calmly pointing out your hypocrisy in good faith. And I’m going to continue to do so, and I could not possibly care less whether you respond or not.

You are trying to make an argument that there is no state police force killing American citizens. It happened just today! It happened three weeks ago! Like, what in the world are you even arguing?
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But he's a good person. Not like Trump at all.
 
ZenMode said:
You can try to correct me all you want, but Biden took action in 2024 to address the border issue. There was absolutely no reason that he couldn't have taken action sooner.
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And that doesn't change that the Republicans did the wrong thing for the wrong reasons when they rejected his plans. Being a little late is better than totally screwing up. Right?
 
I just want to point out the hilarity of someone coming to a board where the overwhelming majority sentiment is plainly known to be anti-Trump and anti-“everything Trump does policy wise” and becoming offended that people who are known to oppose Trump and Trump policy calmly, rationally, and in good faith present their reasoning for being anti-Trump and anti-Trump policy. What in the world was even the point of this thread if you aren’t willing to engage with people politely telling you why they feel the way they do? Were you just doing a routine check in to make sure that the people who you know hate Donald Trump’s policy, still hate Donald Trump’s policy?
 

VOTING FOR THE MAYOR WHO PROMISED TO BLOW UP THE CITY DOESN’T MEAN I APPROVE OF THE MAYOR BLOWING UP THE CITY​


It’s so easy to label people these days. From the way folks have been talking, you’d think everyone falls into two buckets: those who voted against the mayor who promised to blow up the city and those who voted for the mayor who promised to blow up the city. And now that the mayor, whom I voted for, is blowing up the city, as he promised, I’m one of many people who are being unfairly blamed for something I didn’t want. Okay? I didn’t want the mayor to blow up the city like he mentioned many times; I just wanted him to fix the old bowling alley like he promised in passing once. Anyone saying I’m partially responsible for the explosions is just a sign that they have no argument.

Before you rush to cancel me, try to remember the mayor made lots of promises, and I didn’t expect him to keep them all. Yes, he promised to turn our playgrounds to glass and take a blowtorch to the schools; yes, he said that he was going to use napalm on every grocery store, but, as I said, he also promised he was going to fix the old bowling alley.
 
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