How Non MAGA Conservatives View Trump

superrific said:
None of that is true. Inflation is UP. The tariffs have added $200B in revenue to a deficit that is 1.7T, and the money has already been spent largely on ICE. Tax receipts will be lower. Electricity costs are higher, not lower.

Capping credit rates is lunacy. One would think you'd know that, and maybe you are trolling, but it's an incredibly bad idea. He is actually not in favor of penalty free usage of 401Ks, and that does nothing to create affordability; it just means you have to mortgage your retirement in addition to your near future.
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Everything that dude posts is an embarrassing lie. It’s so unbelievably insulting that he thinks everyone else here is just going to accept his lies at face value.
 
Delta74 said:
Still asking, what does assimilation mean to Conservatives?
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Apologies. Wasn't intending to ignore your question. Obviously can't speak for all conservatives but there are two types of assimilation. Cultural and political. Political assimilation is easier to achieve imo and could be its own thread. Culturally it means adopting and learning the language. Adopting the customs of the country you are going to. Pledging allegience / loyalty to the flag of the country you are going to. It doesn't mean giving up all of the cultural traits of your race or region of origion, but making the changes to fit in rather than isolating.
 
Callatoroy said:
Apologies. Wasn't intending to ignore your question. Obviously can't speak for all conservatives but there are two types of assimilation. Cultural and political. Political assimilation is easier to achieve imo and could be its own thread. Culturally it means adopting and learning the language. Adopting the customs of the country you are going to. Pledging allegience / loyalty to the flag of the country you are going to. It doesn't mean giving up all of the cultural traits of your race or region of origion, but making the changes to fit in rather than isolating.
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And after you do all those things, you show up for your appointed court date to finalize your USA citizenship, but are arrested by ICE and deported because the president is a madman.
 
Callatoroy said:
Apologies. Wasn't intending to ignore your question. Obviously can't speak for all conservatives but there are two types of assimilation. Cultural and political. Political assimilation is easier to achieve imo and could be its own thread. Culturally it means adopting and learning the language. Adopting the customs of the country you are going to. Pledging allegience / loyalty to the flag of the country you are going to. It doesn't mean giving up all of the cultural traits of your race or region of origion, but making the changes to fit in rather than isolating.
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Which, if you look at the histories of the Little Italys and Chinatowns and other ethnic enclaves that exist all across America have typically happened in the second generation just like with the Hispanic population today. Especially in the cases where America is more a place of refuge or exile than a goal, first generation is always going to settle close together so the customs and language will cushion their adjustment. Why do you expect that to suddenly change?

Speaking of change, when did you conservatives decide your religion (not nearly so much your Bible) is allowed to come before your Constitution?
 
CFordUNC said:
I just want to point out the hilarity of someone coming to a board where the overwhelming majority sentiment is plainly known to be anti-Trump and anti-“everything Trump does policy wise” and becoming offended that people who are known to oppose Trump and Trump policy calmly, rationally, and in good faith present their reasoning for being anti-Trump and anti-Trump policy. What in the world was even the point of this thread if you aren’t willing to engage with people politely telling you why they feel the way they do? Were you just doing a routine check in to make sure that the people who you know hate Donald Trump’s policy, still hate Donald Trump’s policy?
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lol. I'm not offended by anything anyone says. I'm just not going to engage where I don't feel it is constructive or feel I'm talking to a brick wall. On this issue you, imo, are a brick wall. Another topic might be different. I have gone out of my way to avoid arguing with you. I read some of your posts after the minnesota shooting and they very emotionally driven. Just not into having emotional discussions. I acknowledged that you were very passionate about this issue in an earlier post. Sorry if that offends or angers you. It isn't my intention. I guess you can continue your passive aggressive critiques now rather than just letting it go.
 
superrific said:
Capping credit rates is lunacy. One would think you'd know that, and maybe you are trolling, but it's an incredibly bad idea. He is actually not in favor of penalty free usage of 401Ks, and that does nothing to create affordability; it just means you have to mortgage your retirement in addition to your near future.
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Agree that those proposals, particularly capping interest rates on credit cards (which Elizabeth Warren supports), are terrible. I was simply pointing out that the author was wrong in stating that Trump was doing nothing to address the affordability issue.
 
Ramrouser said:
Agree that those proposals, particularly capping interest rates on credit cards (which Elizabeth Warren supports), are terrible. I was simply pointing out that the author was wrong in stating that Trump was doing nothing to address the affordability issue.
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You are giving Trump credit for doing “something” to address the affordability issue even though you know the “something” will make matters worse? Really?
 
ChileG said:
What that fuck does that even mean? My pithy post at least made a point related to the OP and the article that you posted.
What the fuck are you even try to say with this response, or do you even know?
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The last time I participated on this board, there abouts, you made a comment something to the effect that I had in the past engaged you numerous times in a manner that was not civil and basically amounted to being an asshole and lacking good faith (summarizing here). I agreed with you and offered an apology. I did do that. Your first interaction today gave me no sense that you were interested in anything constructive. You used to be more open to discussions outside of the board norm but seemingly have lost that.
 
Ramrouser said:
His policies caused the inflation. Biden was warned not to overspend by passing all those trillion dollar bills bloated with green and DEI pork.
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Inflation was rampant when Biden entered office and much of the inflationary spending was already baked in at that time as well. Those stimulus checks Trump insisted on having his signature on? PPP? Tax cuts for the wealthy and businesses? All inflationary policies put in by Trump that combined with supply chain shocks caused by COVID, caused the overwhelming majority of the inflation that continued for the first two years or so of Biden’s term, because as you said, fighting inflation is hard.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
Inflation was rampant when Biden entered office and much of the inflationary spending was already baked in at that time as well. Those stimulus checks Trump insisted on having his signature on? PPP? Tax cuts for the wealthy and businesses? All inflationary policies put in by Trump that combined with supply chain shocks caused by COVID, caused the overwhelming majority of the inflation that continued for the first two years or so of Biden’s term, because as you said, fighting inflation is hard.
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Don't forget all the fraudulent loans made during the pandemic by Trump.
 
Callatoroy said:
lol. I'm not offended by anything anyone says. I'm just not going to engage where I don't feel it is constructive or feel I'm talking to a brick wall. On this issue you, imo, are a brick wall. Another topic might be different. I have gone out of my way to avoid arguing with you. I read some of your posts after the minnesota shooting and they very emotionally driven. Just not into having emotional discussions. I acknowledged that you were very passionate about this issue in an earlier post. Sorry if that offends or angers you. It isn't my intention. I guess you can continue your passive aggressive critiques now rather than just letting it go.
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You aren’t offending or angering me. I’m just disappointed that you don’t have enough integrity or enough intellect to have tough conversations in which you have to defend your viewpoints. I don’t have any respect for someone who wusses out over and over and over like you do. You started this thread, you started this discussion, and you’ve done nothing but whine and cry and tuck your tail and run away everytime someone attempts to engage you in discussion. “I’m not having this conversation.” “You’re too emotional.” Those are pathetic white flags. If you are scared of having your views challenged, don’t start a thread. Stay in your safe space.

It’s funny that you call my posts on the Minnesota shooting thread “emotional”, like it’s a bad thing to be upset and angry about a young mother being summarily executed by federal agents. You should look in the mirror and ask yourself why it doesn’t make you emotional. Do you understand how absolutely absurd you sound to the overwhelming vast majority of the rest of the normal people in the world who are able to rightfully express shock and disgust at American law enforcement agencies having carte blanche to kill American moms in SUVs full of stuffed animal toys? If that doesn’t make you emotional, you’re beyond lost as a human being and I feel more pity for you than I do resentment.
 
LeoBloom said:
Trump ruined the economy in his first term; Biden started to correct it. Trump takes office again and blames the economy he ruined on Biden. Trump supporters lap it up. This thread is proof.
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You could go to basically any Republican administration in the last 75 years and rinse and repeat.
 
LeoBloom said:
This notion that merit based immigration or that assimilation is the way of American immigration is anathema to the history of America. The poem on the Statue of Liberty says, in part:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

The Irish and Italian immigrants who came in the 19th century were not subjected to this ridiculous notion of merit or assimilation. So African Americans should forget their culture to assimilate? Bullshit. That's racist bullshit and if you don't realize that then you are a racist or at least support racists.

If you support Trump's policies, but not the man, this is what you support: racist immigration policies that include poorly trained agents having the right to detain people based on the color of their skin; poorly trained agents having the authority to break into homes without a warrant; masked federal agents not having to identify themselves; tariffs that harm average Americans; praising adversaries like Russia to the detriment of NATO; using Nazi style propaganda; bailing out foreign countries that kiss Trump's ass like Argentina; bailing out farmers after hurting them with tariffs; abandoning science - all of this and more.

Stop saying you support Trump's policies and trying to separate them from Trump. You are supporting anti-American principles when you support Trump. Period.
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Agree with you on the merit based not a part of historical immigration. We have evolved to a point where I think that needs to be a part of immigration going forward. As well, unchecked immigration hasn't been a historical part of our system either.

You are wrong on Irish and Italians and blacks not assimilating. Assimilation is what makes the melting pot work. Are you good with no assimilation?
 
Ramrouser said:
Comparing Trump to Caligula and late stage Tiberius. I realize he was trying to emphasize that Trump often acts rudely and impulsively but that’s a bit much.

Stating that Trump is not addressing the affordability issue. Fighting inflation is hard. He’s brought down energy costs and interest rates are falling. The deficit is much lower due to the substantial sums being raised by tariffs. He’s recently floated new proposals of capping credit card interest rates for one year, limiting residential home purchases by private equity and allowing penalty free usage of 401K funds for first home purchases.
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Gotcha
 
Ramrouser said:
Agree that those proposals, particularly capping interest rates on credit cards (which Elizabeth Warren supports), are terrible. I was simply pointing out that the author was wrong in stating that Trump was doing nothing to address the affordability issue.
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He is only talking about capping rates for 1 year. I disagree with J. Dimon that it would be an economic catastrophe. Most of the big banks have interest free transfer programs for given periods of time. 1 year not being unheard of. It would be an instant infusion of disposable income. Granted, the banks would take a hit, but it isn't like they haven't been bailed out before. I think people miss the part of it being for only 1 year. But I agree he is trying to address it.
 
Callatoroy said:
He is only talking about capping rates for 1 year. I disagree with J. Dimon that it would be an economic catastrophe. Most of the big banks have interest free transfer programs for given periods of time. 1 year not being unheard of. It would be an instant infusion of disposable income. Granted, the banks would take a hit, but it isn't like they haven't been bailed out before. I think people miss the part of it being for only 1 year. But I agree he is trying to address it.
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Remind me which tenet of conservativism advocates for the executive branch to dictate policy to private corporations?
 
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