How Non MAGA Conservatives View Trump

Callatoroy said:
Agree with you on the merit based not a part of historical immigration. We have evolved to a point where I think that needs to be a part of immigration going forward. As well, unchecked immigration hasn't been a historical part of our system either.

You are wrong on Irish and Italians and blacks not assimilating. Assimilation is what makes the melting pot work. Are you good with no assimilation?
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Bullshit on assimilation. White culture co-opted these other cultures and morphed to accommodate them.

And we’ve evolved where it should be merit based? Why? You are admitting we are abandoning our principles then. But apparently you are ok with that. Why can’t we evolve on gender then? Why is it ok to only evolve on the things you approve of?
 
LeoBloom said:
Bullshit on assimilation. White culture co-opted these other cultures and morphed to accommodate them.

And we’ve evolved where it should be merit based? Why? You are admitting we are abandoning our principles then. But apparently you are ok with that. Why can’t we evolve on gender then? Why is it ok to only evolve on the things you approve of?
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So you see no need at all for assimilation? Just pockets of different ethnicities / races / nationalities all living in their own groups?
 
Callatoroy said:
So you see no need at all for assimilation? Just pockets of different ethnicities / races / nationalities all living in their own groups?
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Assimilation should mean following our laws. Beyond that, what obligation for assimilation does anyone who is a law abiding citizen have? Are you saying that people who come here with different religious customs, different lifestyle practices, etc. should not be allowed to do those things?
 
Zoo_View said:
What’s the basis for the 47% number?

Where does it come from? Homeland Security? ICE? Customs and Border Patrol? Noem? Miller? Vance? Trump?
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It comes from DHS. Kristi Noem was asked a week ago how many of the people detained were criminals, and she said all of them. At that point, the interviewer told her she was wrong and that her own department had reported 47%.
 
I hear Trump voters, including those that don’t like him personally, say they had to vote for him because his policies they support. So here are some of his policies I guess you support. Please tell me why you support these policies.

Poorly trained agents detaining people based on the color of their skin; poorly trained agents being able to burst in people’s homes without warrants ; tariffs that hurt average Americans; bailing out Argentina; abandoning science in DHS; employing Nazi based propaganda; undermining NATO; employing anti-Semitic globalist language; destroying the ACA and thus the healthcare for millions with no replacement plan; arbitrary retribution against individuals and states who criticize or investigated Trump; pardoning January 6 offenders and rewriting them as patriots; erasing the suffering African Americans suffered during slavery and Jim Crow (this happened at national parks and museums); all of these are core policies of Trump. So you all support these but just don’t like how Trump acts?

Please defend these policies. Again these are core policies for this administration, not just things based on Trump’s character.
 
LeoBloom said:
I hear Trump voters, including those that don’t like him personally, say they had to vote for him because his policies they support. So here are some of his policies I guess you support. Please tell me why you support these policies.

Poorly trained agents detaining people based on the color of their skin; poorly trained agents being able to burst in people’s homes without warrants ; tariffs that hurt average Americans; bailing out Argentina; abandoning science in DHS; employing Nazi based propaganda; undermining NATO; employing anti-Semitic globalist language; destroying the ACA and thus the healthcare for millions with no replacement plan; arbitrary retribution against individuals and states who criticize or investigated Trump; pardoning January 6 offenders and rewriting them as patriots; erasing the suffering African Americans suffered during slavery and Jim Crow (this happened at national parks and museums); all of these are core policies of Trump. So you all support these but just don’t like how Trump acts?

Please defend these policies. Again these are core policies for this administration, not just things based on Trump’s character.
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They aren’t going to respond. I think that’s an awesome post, but just don’t want you to expect them to respond. They don’t have a response.
 
Callatoroy said:
So you see no need at all for assimilation? Just pockets of different ethnicities / races / nationalities all living in their own groups?
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Why do you limit American culture? Why is homogeneity the ideal? It’s not the ideal. It has never been the ideal in America.

Seriously, you did not address my point.
 
Ramrouser said:
Comparing Trump to Caligula and late stage Tiberius. I realize he was trying to emphasize that Trump often acts rudely and impulsively but that’s a bit much.

Stating that Trump is not addressing the affordability issue. Fighting inflation is hard. He’s brought down energy costs and interest rates are falling. The deficit is much lower due to the substantial sums being raised by tariffs. He’s recently floated new proposals of capping credit card interest rates for one year, limiting residential home purchases by private equity and allowing penalty free usage of 401K funds for first home purchases.
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Brought down energy prices?

Electricity rates are coming down?
 
CFordUNC said:
They aren’t going to respond. I think that’s an awesome post, but just don’t want you to expect them to respond. They don’t have a response.
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We are supposed to evolve on our views regarding immigration but they do not have to evolve on their views of gender, DEI, healthcare, the second amendment, etc. We are only supposed to evolve to accommodate their views.
 
LeoBloom said:
We are supposed to evolve on our views regarding immigration but they do not have to evolve on their views of gender, DEI, healthcare, the second amendment, etc. We are only supposed to evolve to accommodate their views.
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We are also apparently not allowed to ask them in good faith why certain things are not a political red line for them without them accusing us of being emotional or them telling us that they can’t have the conversation with us!
 
CFordUNC said:
We are also apparently not allowed to ask them in good faith why certain things are not a political red line for them without them accusing us of being emotional or them telling us that they can’t have the conversation with us!
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And when we criticize their policies it’s because we are not objective.
 
I feel absolutely horrible for the man who lost his life today, but I’m not sure there could ever be a more perfect illustration of what the Republican Party has become then to have conservatives boot licking and clapping like seals for the federal government executing a citizen in the street for exercising both his second amendment right and his first amendment right simultaneously. Look at the two on this very thread. One of them has gotten bent out of shape because people are asking him why it’s not enough of a political red line for him to have the president of the United States commanding a masked secret police that apparently has total jurisdiction to be able to summarily execute law abiding American citizens for whatever reason they want, whenever they want. Not that there has been an actual question about this for quite some time, but if there was, today should put a permanent stop to calling them conservatives.
 
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