How Non MAGA Conservatives View Trump

On assimilation: this is not a hard question for anyone who has ever heard of "Chinatown." Many major cities have one. They are there because Chinese people didn't necessarily want to give up their language and culture to melt into white bread. And yet, somehow, white people have enjoyed Chinatowns for decades.

In New York City alone, there are something like 100+ different ethnic enclaves. Some of them might be familiar. Next to Chinatown was Little Italy. Astoria in Queens is primarily Greek. Greenbelt is Polish. Boro Park is Orthodox Jewish. El Barrio is Puerto Rican. Jackson Heights is desi. 3rd Ave around 9th street is "Little Tokyo."

In Chicago, different ethnic groups retained their distinct identities for decades after arrival, and to this day there are ethnic clusterings.

There have been many movies about this topic. Big Night is about an Italian family and an Italian neighbor trying to find a way to exist without compromising ideals about food. My Big Fat Greek Wedding is about, yes, Greek people with their own traditions. There was a Vine star named Rudy Mancuso who made a pretty good movie a few years ago -- he's Brazilian and he lives in a Brazilian enclave in New Jersey, Ironbound.

Assimilation has never been an American tradition -- not en masse, anyway. Everyone is free to "assimilate" if they choose. Some Chinese people want to live in Chinatown; others want to move to the burbs next to predominantly white neighbors. Either one is OK. It's not a problem.
They didn't care about assimilation when the white man stole the country from native Americans, they never cared about assimilation as long as white Christian men were at the top of the pecking order, but as diversity grew they suddenly want everyone to assimilate and be just like them.
 
So you see no need at all for assimilation? Just pockets of different ethnicities / races / nationalities all living in their own groups?
This has been the norm throughout American history. Why do you think there are so many Irish people in Boston? Just 'cause? Why are there so many people in Chicago with Eastern and Southeastern European last names? Just random chance? Why so many Scandinavians in Minnesota? The train tickets were cheap?
 
This has been the norm throughout American history. Why do you think there are so many Irish people in Boston? Just 'cause? Why are there so many people in Chicago with Eastern and Southeastern European last names? Just random chance? Why so many Scandinavians in Minnesota? The train tickets were cheap?
You can keep going and going. Shoot the US government funneled a lot of it intentionally. A significant portion of my extended family is ethically German Czech/Slav folks. They were directed to Texas because of their ethnicity. Now the central portion of Texas has a strong German/Czech culture.
 
He is only talking about capping rates for 1 year. I disagree with J. Dimon that it would be an economic catastrophe. Most of the big banks have interest free transfer programs for given periods of time. 1 year not being unheard of. It would be an instant infusion of disposable income. Granted, the banks would take a hit, but it isn't like they haven't been bailed out before. I think people miss the part of it being for only 1 year. But I agree he is trying to address it.
Those interest free periods have a transfer fee to make up for the last interest and they do it because most who are in that situation are not going to pay it off.

If they cap rates, the banks will just make it harder to get a credit card or they will calculate interest differently. It's not going to help those most in need.

What might help of of groceries hasn't doubled in the past year.... but I know, trumps lack of policies is Biden's fault.
 
He is only talking about capping rates for 1 year. I disagree with J. Dimon that it would be an economic catastrophe. Most of the big banks have interest free transfer programs for given periods of time. 1 year not being unheard of. It would be an instant infusion of disposable income. Granted, the banks would take a hit, but it isn't like they haven't been bailed out before. I think people miss the part of it being for only 1 year. But I agree he is trying to address it.
How the hell do you get off disagreeing with Jamie Dimon about banking finances? What the fuck do you know about the credit card business?

The interest free transfer programs are ***promotions*** and most of their customers are paying full rates. If everyone was capped at 10%, the banks would lose money hand over fist. It doesn't matter if it's one year or 10 -- millions of credit cards and credit lines would be cancelled and commerce would dry up.

Think about how much stuff you buy on Amazon and then figure out how to do that without credit
 
Going back to the original article in the OP, the sentiment that I wish that our board Trumpers could somehow bring themselves to understand is that they are completely allowed to react to new information.

They are allowed to have thought they were voting for the removal of violent illegal immigrant criminals. They are allowed to have thought they were voting for lower prices, lower taxes, less DEI, you name it. They are allowed to have thought they were voting for restoring a conservative vision to America. But they (hopefully) didn’t vote for federal mass surveillance, a militarized police state, abandoning the 1st, 2nd, & 4th amendments, detaining children, or the execution of US citizens. Surely they did not. (Right, guys?)

So why not allow new information to change their minds? They don’t even have to admit they were wrong or that the libs were right.

Trumpers, just be a free thinker. Challenge your leaders. You pledge allegiance to the flag, not to a regime. Start acting like it, for the love of God. Show some pride and self-respect.
 
It comes from DHS. Kristi Noem was asked a week ago how many of the people detained were criminals, and she said all of them. At that point, the interviewer told her she was wrong and that her own department had reported 47%.
47% are convicted criminals. 70 % if you include those aliens convicted or charged with serious crimes.
 
47% are convicted criminals. 70 % if you include those aliens convicted or charged with serious crimes.
ICE has now killed a white man and white woman who were born and raised in America. The **Immigration** and Customs Enforcement Agency
is killing American white people.
 
Apologies. Wasn't intending to ignore your question. Obviously can't speak for all conservatives but there are two types of assimilation. Cultural and political. Political assimilation is easier to achieve imo and could be its own thread. Culturally it means adopting and learning the language. Adopting the customs of the country you are going to. Pledging allegience / loyalty to the flag of the country you are going to. It doesn't mean giving up all of the cultural traits of your race or region of origion, but making the changes to fit in rather than isolating.
This is why the separation of church and state is so important. For example, our public schools, isn’t it imperative that in order to make our country as great as it can be that we keep religion out of the schools? That we raise all kids in an environment that prioritizes learning and doesn’t force any religion on any of them?

I’m making this point about religion in school because Conservatives seem to be totally against being inclusive of other religions or the non religious and want to force Christianity on all people. That’s why I question the sincerity of any Conservative that talks about assimilation. They want assimilation on that (religion) but I don’t think they give a shit about the cultural differences of immigrants.
 
I'm sincerely interested in where the disagreements are and where commonality lies outside of social media ginned up anger and agitation and sensationalied rhetoric.
Are you really? Because I made a very simple, clear, concise rebuke (a few of them, actually) of the article you posted and you responded with, “I’m sorry that happened to you,” or some other such bullshit.
 


I think more than anything else that has transpired over the last decade or so of MAGA, the fact that every single Republican apparently couldn’t wait to slob the knobs of a bunch of masked government agents executing law-abiding, permitted gun-carrying citizens exercising their constitutional rights to carry and assemble, is the single most shocking. It’s one thing to waffle a bit on policy- everyone changes their minds on policy stuff on occasion- but it’s entirely different to just completely abandon the very basic core tenets and principles on which your entire political ideological identity was founded. The fact that Republicans- Republicans!- are openly cheering masked secret police going door to door and kidnapping people, or executing them in broad daylight in the streets, makes them a hell of a lot closer to Stalinists or Maoists than Reaganists. So sad what the people in this movement have become.

Hate to break it to you.

Reagan Era “conservatives” were as “law and ORDER” big government types as MAGAts are. MAGAts were Reagan Era “conservatives.”

ORDER, their order, is and has been significantly more important to American “conservatives” than law for DECADES.
 
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