How the Electoral College Could Tilt Further From Democrats

Ramrouser said:
I think that may have been true in the 1970s but it's hard to convince me that people are racing to the bottom when they relocate from Illinois or Michigan to Nashville, Charlotte, Raleigh, Greenville, Miami, etc. The data suggests better taxes, more affordable housing and better employment opportunities.
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Other than MAYBE Greenville, the housing affordability in all of those cities is far worse than it is pretty much anywhere in Illinois or Michigan. Taxation and employment opportunities I can buy, but not housing affordability.
 
Ramrouser said:
Competition works. Red states are implementing polices and establishing business environments that are attracting businesses and labor. It's a decade + long trend although COVID clearly was an accelerator. You now see it with Southern Universities attracting students as well.
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I dont see the university connection.

I understand why business likes the policies that allow them to pay much less in wages and benefits.

You have to remember that people tend to vote with their wallets, the GOP was able to convince everyone that their grocery cost were because of Biden, who are they going to blame in the upcoming elections?

Also the redistricting has to take away some of the strength of the current districts, it would be funny if they lost 9ne of those seats.

And why do you assume that the change in demographics is necessarily a plus for actual republican voters? Why would a dem moving out of California change their affiliation?

Well other than the gerrymandering and obvious attempts to obstruct voting by the right.
 
Ramrouser said:
I'm also referring to schools like Clemson, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss and other universities that are vastly improving due to the influx of out of state students who are attracted to the schools. These students are bringing in tons of cash for these universities which is improving the academic quality of those schools. Schools like, Alabama and Ole Miss are now 50% out of state students. They aren't at the level of UNC and the schools you name but the improvement in the last 20 years is amazing.

A lot of these out of state students in these deep red states will remain in state after graduation further exacerbating the shift in population towards the South.
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My SIL and her family live in the greater Baltimore/DC area. One of my nephews and like 4 of his friends went to SC. Other friends of his and his brothers went to Bama, Clemson, Kentucky, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida. A few took advantage of academic common market type arrangements to get in-state tuition and study a field that wasn’t offered at Maryland, but most were attracted by weather and lower admission standards - UM is a surprisingly tough admit for in-state students from certain areas and academic interests.
 
heelinhell said:
The question is how will gains in Southern states impact elections ? I would think it would depend upon the cohorts.

Urban vs rural folks
Affluent vs less affluent folks
Younger vs older folks
Earth 1 vs earth 2 folks

I'm suggesting there is a possibility that folks relocating to Southern states could tilt those red states to purplish states
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Gerrymandering says "not so fast" - EC aside
 
dukeman92 said:
The EC has LONG outlived its usefulness. It's patently moronic that the lives of people halfway around the world hinge on the whims of the people of Wisconsin every four years.
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It outlived its usefulness within a decade of going into effect, it's time that it is eliminated.
 
Ramrouser said:
I'm also referring to schools like Clemson, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss and other universities that are vastly improving due to the influx of out of state students who are attracted to the schools. These students are bringing in tons of cash for these universities which is improving the academic quality of those schools. Schools like, Alabama and Ole Miss are now 50% out of state students. They aren't at the level of UNC and the schools you name but the improvement in the last 20 years is amazing.

A lot of these out of state students in these deep red states will remain in state after graduation further exacerbating the shift in population towards the South.
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Rebs attending Bama and vice versa doesn't actually do anything to improve the collective education quality.

Plus, I'm guessing a sizeable chunk of that out of state crowd receives NIL.
 
Interestingly though, you're already seeing the same issues in these warm weather places that people were trying to flee the north for....namely cheaper housing and taxes. Housing throughout the Sun Belt is getting incredibly expensive and built out. Income tax or not - states have to bring in money. It's no surprise that sales taxes and property taxes are very high in no/ low income tax states. Schools in many of these places are not good. Maybe they are good enough that people don't care. Public services throughout the sun belt are generally terribly underfunded. This not to say they are bad places to live as I would gladly move back to NC, but I think the idea that there is a huge wave moving to the Sun Belt because it is the land of the free is way overblown.

I also think you're going to see climate change dramatically change places like Phoenix, all of Florida, Texas, etc. to the point that people will have to leave these areas because of excessive heat, drought, intense storms/ flooding, hurricanes.
These aren't static situations...the great migration north in the early 20th century, now the migration to the sun belt. Eventually the pendulum will swing back.

I'm not sure why universities are part of this discussion. I've lived in New England for 20 years and know tons of people that went south for college 20yrs ago. People have always gone all over the place for college based on a myriad of factors.

I will say there is a different value placed on college in the Northeast. I grew up in NC. Everyone I know (except 2 or 3) ended up at a state university. I went to a very middle of the road state school in TN that I wouldn't send my kids to. No one batted an eye if you went to WCU, ECU or App back then despite all of them being mediocre schools. At the same time, my wife (growing up in New England) would have never considered going to UMASS. It was seen as a total waste of money (albeit significantly less money than she spent on her education). I digress, but I don't think universities play a big role on drawing people to the sun belt.
 
Geisterfahrer said:
Dumb hill to die on- uva, UT Austin, GaTech, UNC, UF are all great universities. Parsing relatively quality is a mug’s game.
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Either way Ram's assertion doesn't make sense. Why would colleges grow in states willing to implement 3rd world wages and working conditions to continue to increase the wage and wealth gaps in order to draw in business?
 
superrific said:
I wouldn't be caught dead attending Tech or UF. And you'd have to pay me to attend UVa.
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That’s a wild take. UVA has the number one ranked public undergraduate business school, the number one ranked public graduate business school, the number one ranked public law school, and many top 5-10 ranked individual departments within the College of Arts & Sciences, to go along with being rated one of the top three best values in public higher education and top three for accessibility and affordability in terms of providing financial aid. It’s one of the very first places that most of the biggest companies on Wall Street and biggest law firms go to recruit. It’s also located in one of the most idyllic college towns in the country.
 
CFordUNC said:
That’s a wild take. UVA has the number one ranked public undergraduate business school, the number one ranked public graduate business school, the number one ranked public law school, and many top 5-10 ranked individual departments within the College of Arts & Sciences, to go along with being rated one of the top three best values in public higher education and top three for accessibility and affordability in terms of providing financial aid. It’s one of the very first places that most of the biggest companies on Wall Street and biggest law firms go to recruit. It’s also located in one of the most idyllic college towns in the country.
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The top NY law firms do not recruit at UVa, and I doubt the West Coast ones do either. But anyway, I've known enough UVa law grads to know what the law school is like. I also know a few folks who used to teach there. They left for greener pastures. UVa has the reputation it does primarily because of Clarence Thomas and his spawn. He loves UVa clerks.

I don't know anything about undergrad business schools. Needless to say, I wouldn't major in business for my undergrad degree. Maybe that's just me. It's also true that students who did major in business in undergrad would talk to me about the first-day-of-school lecture that I taught to provide background for everyone. They would say, "you just did my whole undergrad finance course in one lecture." That's bad. I'd love that to be a sign of my brilliance but I don't think so.

I've never been to C'Ville. If it's as nice as you say then perhaps I'd attend on full scholarship, no payment needed. And if I was in-state UVa it might be a different story. But I'm not going to put UVa in the same tier as U of M.
 
superrific said:
The top NY law firms do not recruit at UVa, and I doubt the West Coast ones do either. But anyway, I've known enough UVa law grads to know what the law school is like. I also know a few folks who used to teach there. They left for greener pastures. UVa has the reputation it does primarily because of Clarence Thomas and his spawn. He loves UVa clerks.

I don't know anything about undergrad business schools. Needless to say, I wouldn't major in business for my undergrad degree. Maybe that's just me. It's also true that students who did major in business in undergrad would talk to me about the first-day-of-school lecture that I taught to provide background for everyone. They would say, "you just did my whole undergrad finance course in one lecture." That's bad. I'd love that to be a sign of my brilliance but I don't think so.

I've never been to C'Ville. If it's as nice as you say then perhaps I'd attend on full scholarship, no payment needed. And if I was in-state UVa it might be a different story. But I'm not going to put UVa in the same tier as U of M.
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I'm not sure what you consider "top NY law firms" but I'm pretty confident that BigLaw law firms paying top-of-the-market salaries recruit UVA Law grads. They also recruit UNC Law, which is pretty much consensus lower ranked than UVA's.
 
gregh1 said:
Dems need to appeal to non-voters (magically), indys, the few conservatives not-yet-brainwashed, while retaining turnout from liberals.
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All while never making a single mistake on any issue, oh and out-compete blatant lying, and the obstacles to voting...
 
rodoheel said:
I'm not sure what you consider "top NY law firms" but I'm pretty confident that BigLaw law firms paying top-of-the-market salaries recruit UVA Law grads.
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Well, not the tippy-toppiest but whatever. I don't really know what I'm talking about. What I do know is that the UVa people I've met were unimpressive and weird. Also, Laura Ingraham was UVa -> Thomas -> Fourth Reich
 
UNCatTech said:
I dont see the university connection.

I understand why business likes the policies that allow them to pay much less in wages and benefits.

You have to remember that people tend to vote with their wallets, the GOP was able to convince everyone that their grocery cost were because of Biden, who are they going to blame in the upcoming elections?

Also the redistricting has to take away some of the strength of the current districts, it would be funny if they lost 9ne of those seats.

And why do you assume that the change in demographics is necessarily a plus for actual republican voters? Why would a dem moving out of California change their affiliation?

Well other than the gerrymandering and obvious attempts to obstruct voting by the right.
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The Rising Popularity of Southern Colleges

Over the last several months, a range of stories from The Free Press to The Wall Street Journal have proclaimed that students are ditching the Ivies for univers
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superrific said:
Well, not the tippy-toppiest but whatever. I don't really know what I'm talking about. What I do know is that the UVa people I've met were unimpressive and weird. Also, Laura Ingraham was UVa -> Thomas -> Fourth Reich
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No argument there. They are weird.

My son wants to apply and I’m like are you suuuure?

Disagree with you on undergrad business. A top 5-10 undergrad business degree is so valuable when coupled with a pre professional education. I wish I had done KFBS instead of Chem at UNC. Would save me having to learn everything on my own now that I co own and manage a multi state practice.
 
kickazzz2000 said:
No argument there. They are weird.

My son wants to apply and I’m like are you suuuure?

Disagree with you on undergrad business. A top 5-10 undergrad business degree is so valuable when coupled with a pre professional education. I wish I had done KFBS instead of Chem at UNC. Would save me having to learn everything on my own now that I co own and manage a multi state practice.
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Well, I didn't opine about its usefulness. Maybe it can get you a job; MBAs really help with that and MBA programs are not exactly paragons of intellectual rigor. Maybe it teaches skills or develops skills that I'm not aware of. I would just have no interest in it at all.

Just out of curiosity, what type of multistate practice does a guy who calls himself "kickazzz" have?
 
superrific said:
Well, I didn't opine about its usefulness. Maybe it can get you a job; MBAs really help with that and MBA programs are not exactly paragons of intellectual rigor. Maybe it teaches skills or develops skills that I'm not aware of. I would just have no interest in it at all.

Just out of curiosity, what type of multistate practice does a guy who calls himself "kickazzz" have?
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kickazzz2000 has been my AOL (RIP) screen name since Carolina days but we are a Neonatology and Women’s Services group (MFM,OB Laborist/hospitalist) that started in Texas but has expanded to Georgia Louisiana Nevada New Mexico.

I don’t know about law school, but med school teaches NOTHING about business (as it shouldn’t- there’s just no time)
 
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