Hubert Davis Catch-all - HUBERT OFFICIALLY OUT

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Peppers49 said:
I’m not sure Otzelberger would be the best fit for a program like UNC, but Iowa State seems like an extremely difficult place to win. Probably not even close to UNC in terms of NIL, and the Big 12 has been noticeably better than the ACC during his tenure there.
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Right, he would be driving a completely different car.

I like the Vandy coach, but think we just do a professional search.

We know what to expect here...
 
Calheel said:
What was the score when Henri got hurt? Because he was hurt from the get go.

Re declaring the season a success, I thought we agreed to the following: "top 10, nationally relevant, competing for the ACC and in the talks for a legitimate final weekend team."

And yes, I'd take that every year -- recognizing some would be better and some would be worse.
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You tell me, I remember him playing nearly the entire game.

Yes, that was what I defined as a successful season, and yes, I would take that every year too. Unfortunately, we were not close to meeting any of those goals. We were never in the top 10 in the polls, at any point this season, let alone over the course of the "season" (pre-Wilson injury cutoff). Metrics were much worse than polls. We were not nationally relevant over the course of the season. We were out of the ACC title race after our first handful of games. I never recall anyone, at any time, talking about us as a legitimate final four contender. I'd like to read about it if you have any links.
 
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My thoughts which mean nothing:

I don’t think Hubert is the answer long term, but that is just my opinion.

However, whoever the coach is we need some infrastructure to help make that person successful.

First, we need money. We need to have alums set up a private equity like dook did. Or, whatever it might be, we need an ongoing fund of money to pay players.

We need a GM to negotiate with players. Maybe Tanner is that guy, I don’t know. But we need someone who can understand how we should spend money and can negotiate contracts.

We need direct communications with NBA personnel. We need to be able to show top, top recruits that we have conversations with NBA personnel as to how these top players can get to and succeed in the NBA. We need to show them we have a plan for future NBA success. Perhaps we did this with Caleb; I don’t know.

We need analytics and the technology and personnel to evaluate/understand the analytics and it needs to be in game.

Do we have this infrastructure currently? I don’t know. But we need it, IMO, and we need a coach who understands we need it.
 
I’m not optimistic about Lee Roberts, the BOG, and their hand-picked NASCAR AD choosing a new basketball coach.

I’m also not too enthused with Hubert as head coach. On just one minor level, Hubert is too manic on the sideline. If you’re having to constantly shout instructions to the players on the floor during games, WTF were you and your assistants doing in practice?

I also think UNC was LATE to the paying players big money game; and, I think that Hubert’s UNC-only staff hurts us on this front and other fronts. They seem to believe that “it’s a 40-year choice” matters today.

Today’s players don’t look at a Pat Sullivan and think, “Damn, he made a good 40-year decision.”

Today’s players look at it and think, “SHOW ME THE MONEY!” They’re not thinking, “Will this help me in 2066?”

If the decision is to fire Hubert, the PTB better sign one helluva Coach. The problem is identifying who is “one helluva Coach.”

The three greatest head coaches in the ACC were obscure nobodies when they became head coaches in power conferences:
  • Dean Smith, assistant coach at UNC; hung in effigy early in career
  • Coach K - record at Army was 73-59. 14-11 and 9-17 his last two seasons. Iron Dukes wanted his ass fired. The Duke AD (I think it was Tom Butters) told the Iron Dukes that K was the man and to shut the fuck up and back the coach. I hope Duke paid Butters well. He also hired Spurrier.
  • Roy Williams - the SECOND assistant at UNC when KU hired him. KU’s AD’s wife said to her husband, the AD, “You’re going to hire that nobody assistant from UNC, aren’t you?” Roy won big at KU and came home and won more bigly.
Where does the next Dean Smith, K, or Ol’ Roy come from?
 
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Zoo_View said:
I’m not optimistic about Lee Roberts, the BOG, and their hand-picked NASCAR AD choosing a new basketball coach.

I’m also not too enthused with Hubert as head coach. On just one minor level, Hubert is too manic on the sideline. If you’re having to constantly shout instructions to the players on the floor during games, WTF were you and your assistants doing in practice?

I also think UNC was LATE to the paying players big money game; and, I think that Hubert’s UNC-only staff hurts us on this front and other fronts. They seem to believe that “it’s a 40-year choice” matters today.

Today’s players don’t look at a Pat Sullivan and think, “Damn, he made a good 40-year decision.”

Today’s players look at it and think, “SHOW ME THE MONEY!” They’re not thinking, “Will this help me in 2066?”

If the decision is to fire Hubert, the PTB better sign one helluva Coach. The problem is identifying who is “one helluva Coach.”

The three greatest head coaches in the ACC were obscure nobodies when they became head coaches in power conferences:
  • Dean Smith, assistant coach at UNC; hung in effigy early in career
  • Coach K - record at Army was 73-59. 14-11 and 9-17 his last two seasons. Iron Dukes wanted his ass fired. The Duke AD (I think it was Tom Butters) told the Iron Dukes that K was the man and to shut the fuck up and back the coach. I hope Duke paid Butters well. He also hired Spurrier.
  • Roy Williams - the SECOND assistant at UNC when KU hired him. KU’s AD’s wife said to her husband, the AD, “You’re going to hire that nobody assistant from UNC, aren’t you?” Roy won big at KU and came home and won more bigly.
Where does the next Dean Smith, K, or Ol’ Roy come from?
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Super-thoughtful post across the board. And there's more to think about along these lines IMO.
 
Calheel said:
Spend the money better. The money we spent on Luka and Evans could have been spent more wisely. We have yet to master the portal. Maybe LJ Rose of Miami could give us some pointers.
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Some of this is luck and circumstances and it work out every years but the more opportunities you give yourself to hit it big the better your odds become.

This season was a step in the right direction with Caleb and Vessar.
 
LeoBloom said:
My thoughts which mean nothing:

I don’t think Hubert is the answer long term, but that is just my opinion.

However, whoever the coach is we need some infrastructure to help make that person successful.

First, we need money. We need to have alums set up a private equity like dook did. Or, whatever it might be, we need an ongoing fund of money to pay players.

We need a GM to negotiate with players. Maybe Tanner is that guy, I don’t know. But we need someone who can understand how we should spend money and can negotiate contracts.

We need direct communications with NBA personnel. We need to be able to show top, top recruits that we have conversations with NBA personnel as to how these top players can get to and succeed in the NBA. We need to show them we have a plan for future NBA success. Perhaps we did this with Caleb; I don’t know.

We need analytics and the technology and personnel to evaluate/understand the analytics and it needs to be in game.

Do we have this infrastructure currently? I don’t know. But we need it, IMO, and we need a coach who understands
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LeoBloom said:
My thoughts which mean nothing:

I don’t think Hubert is the answer long term, but that is just my opinion.

However, whoever the coach is we need some infrastructure to help make that person successful.

First, we need money. We need to have alums set up a private equity like dook did. Or, whatever it might be, we need an ongoing fund of money to pay players.

We need a GM to negotiate with players. Maybe Tanner is that guy, I don’t know. But we need someone who can understand how we should spend money and can negotiate contracts.

We need direct communications with NBA personnel. We need to be able to show top, top recruits that we have conversations with NBA personnel as to how these top players can get to and succeed in the NBA. We need to show them we have a plan for future NBA success. Perhaps we did this with Caleb; I don’t know.

We need analytics and the technology and personnel to evaluate/understand the analytics and it needs to be in game.

Do we have this infrastructure currently? I don’t know. But we need it, IMO, and we need a coach who understands we need it.
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I am think what you're saying here is that the Carolina Way as we all knew and loved is dead.

Hubert and his staff are all part of that .

It could be that UNC cant win big with a foot still standing in that bygone era and you may be right.

This is also the reason I've wanted Hubert to be given as much opportunity to make it work as possible. Once UNC takes that next step away from what we've known, it's over.
 
Bigs23 said:
I am think what you're saying here is that the Carolina Way as we all knew and loved is dead.

Hubert and his staff are all part of that .

It could be that UNC cant win big with a foot still standing in that bygone era and you may be right.

This is also the reason I've wanted Hubert to be given as much opportunity to make it work as possible. Once UNC takes that next step away from what we've known, it's over.
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I don’t think it means it is dead. I think we have to adapt. Dean Smith was an innovator who could adapt. He was forward thinking. Why must we abandon that?
 
Zoo_View said:
I’m not optimistic about Lee Roberts, the BOG, and their hand-picked NASCAR AD choosing a new basketball coach.

I’m also not too enthused with Hubert as head coach. On just one minor level, Hubert is too manic on the sideline. If you’re having to constantly shout instructions to the players on the floor during games, WTF were you and your assistants doing in practice?

I also think UNC was LATE to the paying players big money game; and, I think that Hubert’s UNC-only staff hurts us on this front and other fronts. They seem to believe that “it’s a 40-year choice” matters today.

Today’s players don’t look at a Pat Sullivan and think, “Damn, he made a good 40-year decision.”

Today’s players look at it and think, “SHOW ME THE MONEY!” They’re not thinking, “Will this help me in 2066?”

If the decision is to fire Hubert, the PTB better sign one helluva Coach. The problem is identifying who is “one helluva Coach.”

The three greatest head coaches in the ACC were obscure nobodies when they became head coaches in power conferences:
  • Dean Smith, assistant coach at UNC; hung in effigy early in career
  • Coach K - record at Army was 73-59. 14-11 and 9-17 his last two seasons. Iron Dukes wanted his ass fired. The Duke AD (I think it was Tom Butters) told the Iron Dukes that K was the man and to shut the fuck up and back the coach. I hope Duke paid Butters well. He also hired Spurrier.
  • Roy Williams - the SECOND assistant at UNC when KU hired him. KU’s AD’s wife said to her husband, the AD, “You’re going to hire that nobody assistant from UNC, aren’t you?” Roy won big at KU and came home and won more bigly.
Where does the next Dean Smith, K, or Ol’ Roy come from?
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I agree with almost everything in this post but not sure about the what the KU AD’s wife said. There’s someone who posts here who knows her well and may have a different perspective.
 
LeoBloom said:
I don’t think it means it is dead. I think we have to adapt. Dean Smith was an innovator who could adapt. He was forward thinking. Why must we abandon that?
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Dead as we know it. And dead in the way that made UNC unique.
 
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Bigs23 said:
Dead as we know it. And dead in the way that made UNC and unique.
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Different time and place. The average NBA salary in 1970 was 35,000 dollars (worth roughly 250,000 now) with 13-15,000 as the minimum. A college education from UNC was, long term, very desirable for the future. There's just too much money in the game for that to ever have the same meaning or influence.
 
What is the Carolina Way to you guys? What are the core underpinnings?

-Player first
-Team over individual
-win with dignity
-accountability, learn from your mistakes
-student-athlete (the order matters)
 
I took a look at Indiana and what the history has been since the iconic Bobby Knight retired in 2000.

7 coaches since who averaged less than a 60% winning percentage and it is possible Indiana will be looking for coach #8 at the end of this year.
 
Dixon-Trimble-Wilson-Veesaar starting lineup played 6 full games together start to finish. SIX. Number 7 was the Miami game. The season was effectively over just as it was getting off the ground

Early season Seth get hurts, Evans doesn’t contribute much, but you find something in Dixon. That dynamic alone played out over a full month. By the time UVA and duke come around the rotation is pretty much set

Offensively things are starting to look good. The defense is still a WIP but looking better. Laughable and low bball-iq to think the snapshot of this team in January is what it was going to look like through February and March
 
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