Hubert Davis Catch-all - HUBERT OFFICIALLY OUT

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4thgenheel said:
who is saying this?

anyone at UNC who gave HD the impression that his job was safe after the VCU debacle is a fucking irresponsible moron.
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I was at the tail end of a relationship one time and was getting mixed signals. All my female friends were like, "Oh, he's just stressed, he's busy with work, etc. etc." to explain the behavior away. One of their husbands, ever the voice of reason, was like, "Sounds like a guy that doesn't want to be in this relationship anymore." Of course I listened to my friends and ignored the husband's advice, because I didn't want things to end. My boyfriend was actually being nice at times, because he liked me as a person and didn't want to hurt my feelings... but he also didn't want to be in the relationship. I mistook his niceness as an indication that things would go in a different direction. You hear what you want to hear and see what you want to see.

But if anyone at UNC gave Hubert a very direct indication that his job was safe (false hope), that person is an asshole of the highest order.
 
4thgenheel said:
who is saying this?

anyone at UNC who gave HD the impression that his job was safe after the VCU debacle is a fucking irresponsible moron.
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Ben said that in pretty candid fashion on IC this morning, and specifically mentioned that this has been a recurring theme with Bubba when it comes to the two major rev sports.

I don’t mean this in a “told you so” way, but I do feel like Bubba gets a big pass from a lot of our fans when it comes to sharing responsibility for the way we’ve handled big decisions regarding the football and basketball programs.
 
Peppers49 said:
Ben said that in pretty candid fashion on IC this morning, and specifically mentioned that this has been a recurring theme with Bubba when it comes to the two major rev sports.

I don’t mean this in a “told you so” way, but I do feel like Bubba gets a big pass from a lot of our fans when it comes to sharing responsibility for the way we’ve handled big decisions regarding the football and basketball programs.
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thank you. didn't mean to sound like i was arguing with you that it had happened just wanted to know who was saying it.

that is ridiculous and obnoxious from bubba/UNC. but to your final point, i don't think that bubba has really had any say in either of the 2 recent major revenue sports hires. the idiot brigade hired BB and Roy picked HD.
 
heelinhell said:
love you man :love:

I've now been day drinking for 3 hours now and through the fog still wonder why we would give a new coach a contract for more than 4 years if we gave CHD only 5 years to rebuild a declining program, keeping in mind that this is the administration that hired Uncle Bill
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The issue of how long the new coach will get to prove his worth and how long his contract will be for are two different, only somewhat related questions.

If our next coach has a first 4 seasons that look like Hubert's first four seasons, I don't think that coach will get a 5th season.
 
Oddball said:
My bet is we find out that not everyone is clamoring for this job and will have to go further down the list than the "insiders" have claimed.

Same thing happened when we got stuck with Doh. TJO would be as good as we can get, imo, and Byington hopefully as far down as we would have to reach
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TJO would be a grand slam hire, so that would be fine.

I do think people underestimate how hard it is to get people who are already succeeding at the highest level in good jobs to move. Lloyd could well believe that he will be better set up for the next 5-10 years at Arizona than he would be at UNC. TJO could be truly happy and want to stay at ISU forever. Lloyd could make the FF, or more, this year and is at a program that probably has more resources than ours. We would do absolutely nothing wrong in our coaching search and still miss on all of those guys.

If we end up with Byington, I'd be slightly disappointed but still think he's probably a very good hire.
 
rodoheel said:
TJO would be a grand slam hire, so that would be fine.

I do think people underestimate how hard it is to get people who are already succeeding at the highest level in good jobs to move. Lloyd could well believe that he will be better set up for the next 5-10 years at Arizona than he would be at UNC. TJO could be truly happy and want to stay at ISU forever. Lloyd could make the FF, or more, this year and is at a program that probably has more resources than ours. We would do absolutely nothing wrong in our coaching search and still miss on all of those guys.

If we end up with Byington, I'd be slightly disappointed but still think he's probably a very good hire.
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if Byington is the floor, we're in a good spot as long as the decision is being made sensibly.
 
Are you sure Dean done it this way?
Did old Dean really do it this way?

all this brings to my mind Waylon's lament bemoaning how things are always changing.
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Lord, it's the same old tune, fiddle and guitar
Where do we take it from here?
Rhinestone suits and new shiny cars
It's been the same way for years
We need a change

Somebody told me, when I came to Nashville
"Son, you finally got it made
Old Hank made it here, and we're all sure that you will"
But I don't think Hank done it this way
I don't think Hank done it this way, okay

Ten years on the road, makin' one-night stands
Speedin' my young life away
Tell me one more time just so I'll understand
Are you sure Hank done it this way?
Did old Hank really do it this way?

Lord, I've seen the world with a five-piece band
Looking at the back side of me
Singing my songs, and one of his now and then
But I don't think Hank done 'em this way, no
I don't think Hank done it this way
 
4thgenheel said:
thank you. didn't mean to sound like i was arguing with you that it had happened just wanted to know who was saying it.

that is ridiculous and obnoxious from bubba/UNC. but to your final point, i don't think that bubba has really had any say in either of the 2 recent major revenue sports hires. the idiot brigade hired BB and Roy picked HD.
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You’re good, I didn’t take it that way at all. I usually try to respect IC’s policy to not share that type of info outside of that board but thought that bit was particularly interesting.

To the point about Bubba: I think arguably the most important skill for an AD at a high profile university is the ability to get alignment behind the scenes with all of the various stakeholders (donors/admins/prominent alums, etc.) so that when the time comes to make a big decision, the school is prepared and efficient.

I realize that is easier said than done, but that’s why these guys get paid 7 figure salaries. It’s a hard and important job that requires a specific type of person. I also think that the way the landscape has changed so drastically in the last few years has also changed the skillset required of an effective AD. Bubba is clearly respected and good at other aspects of the job, but maybe just isn’t a wartime consigliere, so to speak.
 
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SnoopRob said:
Because it says he didn't communicate with his coaches for nearly 24 hours after leaving the arena in Greenville.
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Assuming he communicated with them before he left the arena that's not an extreme amount of time. There was the trip home, time to sleep, eat, be with family. It's not like he disappeared for several days.

Maybe he needed a minute to decompress and pull himself together? There seems to be a desire to frame Hubert as a villain here.

I mean they gave the guy a homework assignment before firing him.
 
Bigs23 said:
Assuming he communicated with them before he left the arena that's not an extreme amount of time. There was the trip home, time to sleep, eat, be with family. It's not like he disappeared for several days.

Maybe he needed a minute to decompress and pull himself together? There seems to be a desire to frame Hubert as a villain here.

I mean they gave the guy a homework assignment before firing him.
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i'm not seeing any villainizing, just a lot of pretty reasonable "well, that doesn't sound great if it went down that way....."
 
dukeman92 said:
Not that you guys give a fuck what I think... but until you divorce yourselves from this mindset of "The way Dean/Roy would do it" this is destined to fail. You have to hire someone with the gravitas to say IDGAF how Dean did it, while maintaining, publicly at least, a certain respect for the way it was done. An incredibly tough job.

The people in charge of the purse strings have to be willing to let go of the past.
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I believe this is when that happens and a big part of the reason Hubert's demise is disheartening.
 
Bigs23 said:
You're assuming you actually know what happened you don't. Your bias leads you to automatically thinking Hubert did something unseemly. Give it a rest. The man got fired. Go do whatever it is you to celebrate.
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IC essentially confirmed it happened, and has talked about communication issues consistently.
 
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