Hubert Davis Catch-all

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Viewing this so-called discussion now from the minute that Hubert Davis was made coach -- it started then for some folks -- I watched it 'develop' - I have come to the conclusion that it is a state of being for the foreseeable future and no matter who is the coach it is how it will be.

Overall, it seems that at this historical juncture Division is the Human Condition.
 
Hubert’s job is safe no matter what happens in the NCAAT IMO. Now if next season is no better than this season has been thus far and he doesn’t go on a big tourney run, that is probably it for him. And it’s not that this season has been bad, but in the grand scheme of Carolina basketball, this season is definitely below the mean thus far.
 
There are two, independent questions about the future of HD: 1) what do the fans think/want?; 2) what will the actual decision be? Question 1) seems pretty set in stone to me. Fans who want him gone and have wanted him gone for some time are not going to change their minds, regardless of what happens in the tourney. For question 2), I have the same hunch a Snoop. But the uncertainty of who will really be the primary decision maker here makes it more unclear of what the ultimate outcome will be.
 
donbosco said:
Viewing this so-called discussion now from the minute that Hubert Davis was made coach -- it started then for some folks -- I watched it 'develop' - I have come to the conclusion that it is a state of being for the foreseeable future and no matter who is the coach it is how it will be.
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The absolute majority of folks - including ones who were not excited when HD was named as head coach - were supportive of him until sometime last season when it became clear we weren’t a terribly good team. While there were folks actively against HD from the very beginning, it was a small percentage of the fan base for the first 3.5 seasons or so until the performance on the court was repeatedly below the historic Carolina standard.
 
PTOHeel said:
Fans who want him gone and have wanted him gone for some time are not going to change their minds, regardless of what happens in the tourney.
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I mean, if he goes out and wins the natty, I’m guessing some folks would change their minds. :ROFLMAO:
 
Th AD should be the primary person to chose the next coach , if we need one.
Since our new AD has never been involved in such, that is a difficulty
Of course the richest donors will have a say-but hopefully just "Yea we will pay for that guy, that buyout "
 
SnoopRob said:
The absolute majority of folks - including ones who were not excited when HD was named as head coach - were supportive of him until sometime last season when it became clear we weren’t a terribly good team. While there were folks actively against HD from the very beginning, it was a small percentage of the fan base for the first 3.5 seasons or so until the performance on the court was repeatedly below the historic Carolina standard.
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It's been so up and down. The first season people were wondering until the run at the end of the season. The next season was terrible and people were openly questioning if he will be good enough for Carolina. Then the next season was good, and people were saying give him a chance. Then last season was awful again and people were saying he needs to go. Then this season has been so-so and I think the majority of folks are thinking he's just not the guy to get them to consistently be a top program like we are used to seeing.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Hubert’s job is safe no matter what happens in the NCAAT IMO. Now if next season is no better than this season has been thus far and he doesn’t go on a big tourney run, that is probably it for him. And it’s not that this season has been bad, but in the grand scheme of Carolina basketball, this season is definitely below the mean thus far.
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I think this is right. This season wasn’t a complete disaster and but for the injuries probably would have been a little bit better, but it wasn’t enough to meaningfully cool the seat either. At some point there needs to be results. One lucky run to second place as an 8 seed only gets you so far.
 
SnoopRob said:
The absolute majority of folks - including ones who were not excited when HD was named as head coach - were supportive of him until sometime last season when it became clear we weren’t a terribly good team. While there were folks actively against HD from the very beginning, it was a small percentage of the fan base for the first 3.5 seasons or so until the performance on the court was repeatedly below the historic Carolina standard.
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Check...I wrote some folk. The majority as I recall it were 'wait and see.' The small percentage to which we are both referring, that was anti-Davis from the get-go has been pretty relentless and in a constant search for points to bolster their notion. They've had a goodly amount for their bulletin boards. There has been a steady stream of effigies.
 
I just don't see how you justify him returning. If we were a step down as a program - say Ohio State or Auburn - then yeah, you probably don't realistically entertain moving on from a guy like that. But this is UNC basketball, and if the admin/university still gives a shit about that and wants to be successful in the future, I think you have to seriously look at firing him, especially if they lose in round 1 next week. Even if they win, they'll get a 2 or 3 in the second round, and what has this team done vs. good teams away from the Smith Center? Exactly....

20+ wins a season is like a bachelor's degree nowadays - everybody has one. I think the judgment should be made based the Q1 record and NCAA tournament seeds - these are more indicative of your true performance. He's 20-40 in regular-season Q1 games in his tenure. His NCAA seeds have been 8, missed tourney, 1, 11, and likely 6 or 7 this year..... Each team he coaches has energy/motivation issues. They often look unprepared and not ready to play. The defensive philosophy does them no favors. Clunky roster construction every year. With UNC's brand and $ resources, they'd really have to thread the needle to hire a worse basketball coach than Hubert. Honestly.
 
Centerpiece said:
So where does HD stand now? If 25 w's is the new cutoff standard (not 20) he's not there (yet) this season. The team has only done it 2 out of the other 4 seasons. If we lose first round NCAA's then that's 3 out of 5 seasons whereby UNC misses that mythical cut-off.

Plenty of discussion this year that since Hubert was on the proverbial hot-seat to start, a solid 25 wins and at least a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 appearance was a must to keep his job. Some said it had to be a FF appearance. I seriously doubt he gets FF or even Elite 8 and probably not a Sweet 16. At this point the team will be fortunate to get to the 25 win plateau and past the first round.

If the team loses first game next week, doesn't reach the 25 w's, ends the season on a 3 game losing streak, the consensus - if staying consistent with all the negative talk to start the season - has to be that he is gone.

But, the Caleb injury may mitigate that thinking.

I think the BOG holds sway over to renovate or to move the basketball arena. And they probably hold sway over Hubert's replacement. But do they have a say over when or if HD is retained or fired? Can they step in over the head of the AD and make that decision?

If we lose first round next week, is Hubert done, regardless of injuries?
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I think it is pretty obvious that Hubert will be back next season.
 
donbosco said:
Check...I wrote some folk. The majority as I recall it were 'wait and see.' The small percentage to which we are both referring, that was anti-Davis from the get-go has been pretty relentless and in a constant search for points to bolster their notion. They've had a goodly amount for their bulletin boards. There has been a steady stream of effigies.
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If we’re talking about a very vocal 5% of the fan base who have been this way the whole time, then…

(A) I agree.

(B) They’re small enough as a percentage of the whole population that we shouldn’t really care what they say.

(C) We really shouldn’t use them to draw any overarching conclusions about the fan base as a whole.
 
UNCRx85 said:
I just don't see how you justify him returning. If we were a step down as a program - say Ohio State or Auburn - then yeah, you probably don't realistically entertain moving on from a guy like that. But this is UNC basketball, and if the admin/university still gives a shit about that and wants to be successful in the future, I think you have to seriously look at firing him, especially if they lose in round 1 next week. Even if they win, they'll get a 2 or 3 in the second round, and what has this team done vs. good teams away from the Smith Center? Exactly....

20+ wins a season is like a bachelor's degree nowadays - everybody has one. I think the judgment should be made based the Q1 record and NCAA tournament seeds - these are more indicative of your true performance. He's 20-40 in regular-season Q1 games in his tenure. His NCAA seeds have been 8, missed tourney, 1, 11, and likely 6 or 7 this year..... Each team he coaches has energy/motivation issues. They often look unprepared and not ready to play. The defensive philosophy does them no favors. Clunky roster construction every year. With UNC's brand and $ resources, they'd really have to thread the needle to hire a worse basketball coach than Hubert. Honestly.
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From what I have seen, I do think that if Hubert had a well-rounded roster with high-level talent throughout the starting lineup, and reliable depth, he can be successful and rack up wins. I do think he would do a good job with the type of talent we had on some of our very good-great UNC teams. It may not look as pretty, but he would probably get the results. But one aspect of coaching is roster construction. While I understand that a GM and those who can provide the NIL funds play major roles there, the coach still plays a major role in identifying the talent and team needs and making those players believe that he is the right coach to help them achieve their goals.
 
I'd be surprised if he gets fired. Would not be totally surprised if he resigns.

If the season ends on 3 losses, the seat will be hot from the start next year. A subpar season next year will result in an ouster.

I have serious concerns in how they've gone about in roster construction the last few years. We've really struggled in building a credible two deep.
 
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