Hubert Davis Catch-all

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bassydude77 said:
This one’s not on Hubert. Could not box out. Caleb forced some terrible shots. No one could make a shot in the 2nd half when we had multiple chances to tie or take the lead.

Felt like if we could get a 4pt lead we’d win but just didn’t make plays. Shit performance from Caleb and Henry. Seth and Derek nonexistent. Not enough effort or toughness.
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It looked like a classic hangover game. Just out of sync and out of sorts all night.

You need somebody to take over and carry the team in games like these. That didn't happen,
 
finesse said:
I would think consistency within a game would a rare beast for any team much less ever become a consistent achievement. I'd also point out Hubert's first year disproves your theory about stringing together wins. I only cite that, since I do consider it a bit of an anomaly, because of how hasty you are to make that accusation and what a result merchant that makes you. How many rebuilding teams put together a history of " strong performances to truly be a factor"? How many teams do it at all?
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I’m just holding the program to a standard of competing for championships.
 
We have a lot of games left
Clearly at this point we are not a "factor"-like we are lucky to make the second weekend.
I am still hopeful-but it is not a very good level for us to be at
Sad eyes
 
CarolinaFever said:
It's not about winning them every year. It's about consistently having a real chance to compete for one, and Dean had that.
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That was a very long time ago in a completely different era of the sport.

UNC fans should be grateful for the incredible run they've had. Expecting that to never change is an awful big ask and probably not a realistic one.

The odds of the next HC making that happen again are very long.
 
Bigs23 said:
That was a very long time ago in a completely different era of the sport.

UNC fans should be grateful for the incredible run they've had. Expecting that to never change is an awful big ask and probably not a realistic one.

The odds of the next HC making that happen again are very long.
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You don't think other programs have had more consistency when it comes to having teams that have a resl shot to compete for the title since Hubert has been the coach?
 
We were 1.5 fav. Caleb played 26 mins and obviously something was off. Trimble and Dixon were 1-13 from floor. We were lethargic and speculation about flu. We were in game and had chance to win with 2 minutes left.
 
heel79 said:
Dean win 2 in 36 years. If Bacot doesn't get hurt Hubert has half as many in 5 years.
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I didn't say WINNING the national championship. I said competing for. 8 seed, NIT, 1 seed, 11 seed, and on track for like a 7 seed is not consistently competing for championships.

Dean's teams in the 64 team tournament era were: 2, 3, 1, 2, 2, 8, 1, 4, 1, 1, 2, 6, 1. So 11/13 years a top 4 seed.
Roy's teams were: 6, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, NIT, 2, 1, 8, 6, 4, 1, 1, 2, 1, COVID year, 8. So 12/18 years a top 4 seed.
With Hubert we are a top 20ish team with a strong chance to advance deep in the tournament once in 5 years. To me the minimum expectation was top 4 seed which is about what Rob Harrington was saying as well. I don't think that's unreasonable for UNC basketball.
 
Bigs23 said:
If it were only that simple.
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If it were easy, any one of us could do it - HD's problem is he is the one that has to do it.

I guess look at it this way you know how they say "make sure that the game isn't close enough where a bad call matters..." I believe Hubert's tenure is at the point where bad calls (hangover games etc) are going to start to matter.

I am as neutral as one can be and a firm believer of things usually take care of themselves, but to me it just seems like he is running out of wiggle room. You make sure you win a Miami game, no matter the circumstances, so you don't have to pull off a sweep of Duke. Now he needs to pull off a sweep.


And I agree the game has changed. I am not sure I could name a single coach I think that will consistently win this version of college basketball, but that won't matter as long as this fanbase can remember the old era. Hubert has the weight of history on him at the moment, and that is heavy as hell. It's not fair, but it is reality. It's going to take years of NIL and transfer portal etc to settle out till fan patience properly adjusts to the game.
 
HeelInTheOzarks said:
I didn't say WINNING the national championship. I said competing for. 8 seed, NIT, 1 seed, 11 seed, and on track for like a 7 seed is not consistently competing for championships.

Dean's teams in the 64 team tournament era were: 2, 3, 1, 2, 2, 8, 1, 4, 1, 1, 2, 6, 1. So 11/13 years a top 4 seed.
Roy's teams were: 6, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, NIT, 2, 1, 8, 6, 4, 1, 1, 2, 1, COVID year, 8. So 12/18 years a top 4 seed.
With Hubert we are a top 20ish team with a strong chance to advance deep in the tournament once in 5 years. To me the minimum expectation was top 4 seed which is about what Rob Harrington was saying as well. I don't think that's unreasonable for UNC basketball.
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Dean was really great coach. I agree.
 
HeelInTheOzarks said:
I didn't say WINNING the national championship. I said competing for. 8 seed, NIT, 1 seed, 11 seed, and on track for like a 7 seed is not consistently competing for championships.

Dean's teams in the 64 team tournament era were: 2, 3, 1, 2, 2, 8, 1, 4, 1, 1, 2, 6, 1. So 11/13 years a top 4 seed.
Roy's teams were: 6, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, NIT, 2, 1, 8, 6, 4, 1, 1, 2, 1, COVID year, 8. So 12/18 years a top 4 seed.
With Hubert we are a top 20ish team with a strong chance to advance deep in the tournament once in 5 years. To me the minimum expectation was top 4 seed which is about what Rob Harrington was saying as well. I don't think that's unreasonable for UNC basketball.
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Oh we ain't getting there We have been spoiled
Question is where do we need to be before we move on-and obviously when we need to hire that next guy that will hopefully get us there
who is that guy?
 
HeelInTheOzarks said:
I didn't say WINNING the national championship. I said competing for. 8 seed, NIT, 1 seed, 11 seed, and on track for like a 7 seed is not consistently competing for championships.

Dean's teams in the 64 team tournament era were: 2, 3, 1, 2, 2, 8, 1, 4, 1, 1, 2, 6, 1. So 11/13 years a top 4 seed.
Roy's teams were: 6, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, NIT, 2, 1, 8, 6, 4, 1, 1, 2, 1, COVID year, 8. So 12/18 years a top 4 seed.
With Hubert we are a top 20ish team with a strong chance to advance deep in the tournament once in 5 years. To me the minimum expectation was top 4 seed which is about what Rob Harrington was saying as well. I don't think that's unreasonable for UNC basketball.
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Coaching doesn't matter. Players just need to try harder.
 
CarolinaFever said:
But they didn't, so...
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Serious question. If we find out several players had flu or whatever, does that matter? Caleb sat 6 mins in FH. Trimble and Dixon 1-13. I mean, does that not make you wonder? It does me. If Caleb wasn't feeling gassed or whatever why would Hubert sit him 6 mins in FH? He was credited with 40 mins against dook. He did leave twice for a few secs.
 
heel79 said:
Serious question. If we find out several players had flu or whatever, does that matter? Caleb sat 6 mins in FH. Trimble and Dixon 1-13. I mean, does that not make you wonder? It does me. If Caleb wasn't feeling gassed or whatever why would Hubert sit him 6 mins in FH? He was credited with 40 mins against dook. He did leave twice for a few secs.
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Yes it matters. The problem is the season is cumulative and the fact that we lost to all 3 of SMU, Cal and Stanford meant that we really couldn't lose to Miami. And now this loss means we really really can't afford to lose to State or Louisville.
 
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