Hubert Davis Catch-all

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Icky Mettle said:
That first point regarding those sports media guys is on point. Their whole shtick is to ruffle fathers and stir things up to get people riled up and pissed off. That’s what gets them views/listens. No one should give a fuck about what they say. It’s pure noise. If you’re worried about them expressing outrage about something, you’ll be paralyzed.
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I agree that no one should pay attention. Some do some dont. But a national narrative that UNC fired it's only black coach in any of its ,3 major sports who won ,71 percent of games etc and those who made decision were maga types is not what we need when trying to recruit young AA to our campus.
 
heel79 said:
I agree that no one should pay attention. Some do some dont. But a national narrative that UNC fired it's only black coach in any of its ,3 major sports who won ,71 percent of games etc and those who made decision were maga types is not what we need when trying to recruit young AA to our campus.
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they gave him 5 years, and his win percentage is the lowest for any coach with that long a tenure for anybody at UNC since before WWII - with a historically easy ACC and the best launchpad of any of his predecessors. the kind of noise you're talking about gets made for people who are fired early, like Jerod Mayo with the Patriots.

and if you're concerned with the talking heads like SAS or McAfee, they're not going to be making any noise about the decision makers being MAGA types because... well... they're MAGA types. And their base is MAGA types. they are not playing to pearl-clutching liberals.
 
The notion that UNC firing a black head coach would be some unforgivable faux paux seems extraordinarily overblown, or at the very least a textbook example of overthinking. Black coaches get fired all the time. Jerome Tang just got fired after taking Kansas State of all programs to the NCAA elite eight a few years ago. Kevin Keatts got fired by NC State less than 12 months after winning that program’s first ACC championship- and advancing to the final four to boot- for the first time since the Reagan administration. UNC firing a black head coach for performance related reasons would not move the needle one iota for any serious observer of college basketball.

I personally don’t want Hubert fired after this year no matter what, unless we just completely and totally collapse into non-competitiveness. This season has gone “well enough” in my book and recruiting is going well enough to warrant another year IMO. But IF he were to be dismissed for performance related reasons after this season, only people who are completely un serious or completely agenda driven would find racism in UNC‘s decision-making process.
 
heel79 said:
I agree that no one should pay attention. Some do some dont. But a national narrative that UNC fired it's only black coach in any of its ,3 major sports who won ,71 percent of games etc and those who made decision were maga types is not what we need when trying to recruit young AA to our campus.
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I honestly don’t think that’s going to be a real issue to be concerned about. I don’t think it will be a prevalent narrative, and to the extent that some people bring it up, I don’t think many people will buy into it. Moreover, if Hubert were to have a poor showing in the NCAAT (as in not making it past the first weekend), I think there would be a near universal understanding if he is asked to step down. A sweet 16 exit would probably lead to a debate, and an elite 8 appearance or better would likely result in a consensus that he needs to stay.
 
akillesheel said:
they gave him 5 years, and his win percentage is the lowest for any coach with that long a tenure for anybody at UNC since before WWII - with a historically easy ACC and the best launchpad of any of his predecessors. the kind of noise you're talking about gets made for people who are fired early, like Jerod Mayo with the Patriots.

and if you're concerned with the talking heads like SAS or McAfee, they're not going to be making any noise about the decision makers being MAGA types because... well... they're MAGA types. And their base is MAGA types. they are not playing to pearl-clutching liberals.
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That last paragraph is also an excellent point.
 
I think the Duke win and the Caleb injury is giving Hubert a little breathing room. But if we play bad against NC State and struggle down the stretch, the Duke afterglow will be soon forgotten and the wolves will be out in force.
 
the best launchpad of any of his predecessors.

I don't see this. I'd say Roy and Guthridge had better and Dean had a mandate NOT to put winning first.
 
heel79 said:
Someone name any basketball coach, any color, fired after averaging 25 wins with no seasons under 20 wins. Free of scandal.
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Do you consider Calipari to have been fired? Because that was an example of him getting out before being forced out.

Tubby Smith was fired after winning 26 games a year.
 
heel79 said:
Someone name any basketball coach, any color, fired after averaging 25 wins with no seasons under 20 wins. Free of scandal.
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It's not about the wins. It's about the following: 8 seed, missed NCAAT, 1 seed early NCAAT exit, last team into the NCAAT field, and now trending towards another lower NCAAT seed and early exit.

Winning 20 or 25 games in college basketball is meaningless if you aren't winning the "right" 20 or 25 games. And we haven't been, for the most part. You can schedule your way to 20 wins pretty easily, but if your record against Q1 opponents is bad at a blueblood program like North Carolina, your overall performance is likely considered to be subpar. This is coming from someone who is probably more "pro-keep HD" than most of the folks on this thread.
 
CFordUNC said:
It's not about the wins. It's about the following: 8 seed, missed NCAAT, 1 seed early NCAAT exit, last team into the NCAAT field, and now trending towards another lower NCAAT seed and early exit.

Winning 20 or 25 games in college basketball is meaningless if you aren't winning the "right" 20 or 25 games. And we haven't been, for the most part. You can schedule your way to 20 wins pretty easily, but if your record against Q1 opponents is bad at a blueblood program like North Carolina, your overall performance is likely considered to be subpar. This is coming from someone who is probably more "pro-keep HD" than most of the folks on this thread.
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All of this. Perfectly said.
 
Calheel said:
I think the Duke win and the Caleb injury is giving Hubert a little breathing room. But if we play bad against NC State and struggle down the stretch, the Duke afterglow will be soon forgotten and the wolves will be out in force.
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They looked awful against Miami before Caleb got hurt, though.
 
finesse said:
the best launchpad of any of his predecessors.

I don't see this. I'd say Roy and Guthridge had better and Dean had a mandate NOT to put winning first.
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Roy took over a team from Matt Doherty, how on Earth is that a better starting point than taking over from Roy?! I will grant you Guthridge.
 
CFordUNC said:
It's not about the wins. It's about the following: 8 seed, missed NCAAT, 1 seed early NCAAT exit, last team into the NCAAT field, and now trending towards another bad NCAAT seed and early exit.

Winning 20 or 25 games in college basketball is meaningless if you aren't winning the "right" 20 or 25 games. And we haven't been, for the most part. This is coming from someone who is probably more "pro-keep HD" than most of the folks on this thread.
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This is accurate. Focusing solely on number of wins misses the boat. People have posted HD's quad 1 record and it's bad. Getting to 20 wins in a watered down ACC is not an accomplishment. 25 wins is kind of the minimum and this is buttressed by the fact that in spite of averaging 25 wins a year the NCAA seeds have been awful other than one year.
 
Calheel said:
Do you consider Calipari to have been fired? Because that was an example of him getting out before being forced out.

Tubby Smith was fired after winning 26 games a year.
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Cal was not fired. Perhaps cooler heads prevail. Who fired Tubby after 26 wins?
 
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