Hubert Davis Catch-all

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superrific said:
All right. I'm not going to argue this point. I've been trying to stay out of the ultimate conclusion and I don't want to get into it now.

I'm just making observations and those can cut both ways at times. This observation was that framing that season as "preseason #1 -> no tourney" is unfair. If you want to consider "no tourney" on its own and find that wholly unacceptable, that's your choice and I have nothing to say about it. But it also doesn't ineluctably follow, either.
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It’s not unfair, it’s perfectly truthful.

The only way it’s unfair is if you think we were either unfairly named preseason #1 or were unfairly left out of the NCAAT.

I think you have a point that we were #1 in a subjective evaluation, but it’s a point with only limited value.
 
superrific said:
Because it wasn't top 5 either. The team shouldn't have been ranked top 10 preseason. It had been an 8 seed the year before. There wasn't a lot of depth on that team to begin with. The entire case for top 5 was a) Pete Nance doing a Brady Manek and b) Caleb's second half was real progress and not a hot streak.

That's the profile of a team in the 12-15 range with "if Pete can do a Brady, this team could have top 5 potential."

Sportswriters always overemphasize tourney results when predicting the next season, forgetting that the NCAA is a huge crapshoot and anyway it's only 6 games.

And yes, top 15 -> no tourney is not a good look, but it is an ordinary failure. It's not the extraordinary failure implied by the preseason #1 ranking. You can't pin that on HD.
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OK, Gonna just have to disagree with you here. I understand your point about overrating tourney results, but factoring in the tournament results as part of the entire season we finished 16th at KenPom. In the portal era, returning 4 starters (including Bacot who was virtually tied with Alondes Williams for ACC player of the year) plus another rotation player in Puff, from a top 20-ish team, and adding one of the top transfers in Nance, is absolutely the formula for being a top 5 team in the preseason polls next year. You are acting like it was obvious to everyone we shouldn't be ranked nearly that high. It very much was not.
 
rodoheel said:
You are acting like it was obvious to everyone we shouldn't be ranked nearly that high. It very much was not.
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At the time, I didn't think we should be ranked higher than 10. I put us at 12-15. Too many things can go wrong when last year's team had a healthy Iron Five and little else, and one of them graduated. I don't know if it was "obvious" but that was my view at the time. That's all I can speak to.
 
rodoheel said:
OK, Gonna just have to disagree with you here. I understand your point about overrating tourney results, but factoring in the tournament results as part of the entire season we finished 16th at KenPom. In the portal era, returning 4 starters (including Bacot who was virtually tied with Alondes Williams for ACC player of the year) plus another rotation player in Puff, from a top 20-ish team, and adding one of the top transfers in Nance, is absolutely the formula for being a top 5 team in the preseason polls next year. You are acting like it was obvious to everyone we shouldn't be ranked nearly that high. It very much was not.
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They really should have been better than they were. Nance was a good player. The other 4 guys were all good to excellent college players.

They just never found it. Something was off from day 1. Maybe a veteran coach navigated that thing differently and the team has some level of success. That's certainly possible but who really knows?
 
rodoheel said:
OK, Gonna just have to disagree with you here. I understand your point about overrating tourney results, but factoring in the tournament results as part of the entire season we finished 16th at KenPom. In the portal era, returning 4 starters (including Bacot who was virtually tied with Alondes Williams for ACC player of the year) plus another rotation player in Puff, from a top 20-ish team, and adding one of the top transfers in Nance, is absolutely the formula for being a top 5 team in the preseason polls next year. You are acting like it was obvious to everyone we shouldn't be ranked nearly that high. It very much was not.
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Get specific as to what HD did, or didn’t do to turn a supposed #1 team to one outside the top 68?
 
Rock said:
Really? Wild. Feel like there aren’t a lot of teams in the country that wouldn’t trade their season for UNCs.
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People who are really down on HD are pretty much limited to a subset of UNC fans. That’s why you see opinions on here that are pretty outside of what you read and hear elsewhere.
 
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