Hubert Davis Catch-all

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duluoz said:
Luka sucked and his low IQ was infuriating, but it’s hard to believe just how bad Evans was. Kid had no business being on the court and couldn’t wait to get rid of the ball anytime it found him. The fear was all over his face. What a disaster, and an expensive one.
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I like Luka okay. He has a solid skillset and can contribute. He’s slow and unathletic for a D1 college guard, which causes some problems, but he’s also relatively crafty. Outside of his physical limitations, his biggest issue was constantly leaving his feet with the ball in his hands and having no real plan of what he was going to do next. It’s weird because he was pretty fundamentally sound with that one big exception.
 
Bigs23 said:
Anytime a team blows a late 19 point lead you're going to be able to point to some coaching things that didn't work out. It takes a collective effort to implode like that.
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In their minds Scheyer deserves all the credit for erasing a 13 point lead or whatever it was against Siena, but MacNamera is to blame for giving up that lead. Ok.

FTs were the biggest factor IMO, and the most controllable. Fatigue may have played into that, but mostly it was just a poor FT shooting team not stepping up when it mattered. You can’t miss TWO front ends of a one-and-one down the stretch and leave FOUR points on the table, and still expect to win.

Sure VCU picked up their defense in crunch time and hit every shot from every angle, but FTs were controllable and were pissed away. That’s where the game was lost IMO.
 
Icky Mettle said:
I like Luka okay. He has a solid skillset and can contribute. He’s slow and unathletic for a D1 college guard, which causes some problems, but he’s also relatively crafty. Outside of his physical limitations, his biggest issue was constantly leaving his feet with the ball in his hands and having no real plan of what he was going to do next. It’s weird because he was pretty fundamentally sound with that one big exception.
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I feel like Luka could go to just about any other program and would be used drastically different with his skill-set, and be successful. I always thought he should have been used on way more sets, pin downs, flares, or as a decoy instead of forcing him to just go out there and be fit into some sort of system, that even I don't know what it is at this point.
 
duluoz said:
In their minds Scheyer deserves all the credit for erasing a 13 point lead or whatever it was against Siena, but MacNamera is to blame for giving up that lead. Ok.

FTs were the biggest factor IMO, and the most controllable. Fatigue may have played into that, but mostly it was just a poor FT shooting team not stepping up when it mattered. You can’t miss TWO front ends of a one-and-one down the stretch and leave FOUR points on the table, and still expect to win.

Sure VCU picked up their defense in crunch time and hit every shot from every angle, but FTs were controllable and were pissed away. That’s where the game was lost IMO.
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Yep and there were quite a few who did say free throw shooting would be the team's undoing. Make just 1 more and they probably win.
 
Saw this in an article and it just puts in perspective how unbelievably inept the collapse was and how bad of a coaching job it was by Hubert.

The Tar Heels led by 14 points with 6½ minutes to go and lost (they were up 19 at one point, making this the largest first-round comeback in NCAA tournament history). They scored their 70th point with 7:11 left in regulation and finished with 78, including overtime. They had a two-point lead and the ball with 28 seconds left and committed a five-second violation on an inbounds play, allowing VCU to tie the game. And then, inbounding again with eight seconds remaining, Davis called a timeout to draw up a no-hope play that ended with big man Henri Veesaar getting the ball way out on the perimeter where he couldn’t do anything with it except turn it over.
 
I have held off on the fire/keep Hubert front since the conversations started.

I have now moved from “keep” to “if they fire him I won’t have an issue with it.”

Historically when I get that feeling about the coach of one of my favorite teams, they are fired soon afterwards. The lone exception would be Ron Rivera when he made a dramatic turnaround and got the nickname “Riverboat Ron.”

So, not wishing for Hubert to get fired. But I wouldn’t have an issue with it at this point, either.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
The Tar Heels led by 14 points with 6½ minutes to go and lost (they were up 19 at one point, making this the largest first-round comeback in NCAA tournament history). They scored their 70th point with 7:11 left in regulation and finished with 78, including overtime. They had a two-point lead and the ball with 28 seconds left and committed a five-second violation on an inbounds play, allowing VCU to tie the game. And then, inbounding again with eight seconds remaining, Davis called a timeout to draw up a no-hope play that ended with big man Henri Veesaar getting the ball way out on the perimeter where he couldn’t do anything with it except turn it over.
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And that, my friends, is poor coaching. It’s March. If a coach doesn’t have his Jimmys and Joes in a position to execute those plays by the time single elimination games come around, that’s on the coach.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
Saw this in an article and it just puts in perspective how unbelievably inept the collapse was and how bad of a coaching job it was by Hubert.

The Tar Heels led by 14 points with 6½ minutes to go and lost (they were up 19 at one point, making this the largest first-round comeback in NCAA tournament history). They scored their 70th point with 7:11 left in regulation and finished with 78, including overtime. They had a two-point lead and the ball with 28 seconds left and committed a five-second violation on an inbounds play, allowing VCU to tie the game. And then, inbounding again with eight seconds remaining, Davis called a timeout to draw up a no-hope play that ended with big man Henri Veesaar getting the ball way out on the perimeter where he couldn’t do anything with it except turn it over.
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I bet that wasn't how the play was drawn up.

This game was predicted to be close and it was. VCU gets some credit here. They are a hard-nosed physical group who doesn't stop fighting. A tough team to close out. But, obviously the Heels had every opportunity to end it.
 
I think it's hard to overstate how big last night's debacle is.

If you had asked me at 6:49p yesterday, I would have said that I thought HD would be back next season, albeit under a greater "win or else" mandate than this year.

I now don't see much way that he can be the coach next year.

The game was everything that HD's critics complain about, on the biggest stage, in a magnified form. It's like it was custom-made to point out why his detractors are ready to move on.

It's a stunning, stunning outcome for a single game.
 
duluoz said:
Luka sucked and his low IQ was infuriating, but it’s hard to believe just how bad Evans was. Kid had no business being on the court and couldn’t wait to get rid of the ball anytime it found him. The fear was all over his face. What a disaster, and an expensive one.
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Not having a stud PG was always the issue. With Caleb this team could have made a FF run but at the end of the day the PG position was probably going to cost them.

Needed to find another 5 million to land one I guess.
 
duluoz said:
In their minds Scheyer deserves all the credit for erasing a 13 point lead or whatever it was against Siena, but MacNamera is to blame for giving up that lead. Ok.

FTs were the biggest factor IMO, and the most controllable. Fatigue may have played into that, but mostly it was just a poor FT shooting team not stepping up when it mattered. You can’t miss TWO front ends of a one-and-one down the stretch and leave FOUR points on the table, and still expect to win.

Sure VCU picked up their defense in crunch time and hit every shot from every angle, but FTs were controllable and were pissed away. That’s where the game was lost IMO.
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Missing FTs hurt, but they lost the game when they decided to stop going through HV and started jacking up a bunch of 3s.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
Davis called a timeout to draw up a no-hope play that ended with big man Henri Veesaar getting the ball way out on the perimeter where he couldn’t do anything with it except turn it over.
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The problem with that play is not that it was no-hope. It was that we've run it at least twice before in similar late-clock situations (I don't think we converted either time, but we got decent looks at the basket). Veesaar gets the inbounds, Seth gets a head of steam from the backcourt and chooses which side of Veesaar to go on based on the defense, and he gets the handoff at full speed with a defender getting naturally screened by Veesaar. It's not a bad concept.

But I knew what was coming based on the setup before the inbound, so I have to assume a competent coach/player that has scouted us would also know what was coming.

What I find baffling is why we didn't make the minimal effort to disguise that play. Veesaar was standing at the top of the key. Seth was way back in the backcourt. All before the ball was even handed to the inbounder. Why not have Veesaar start in the post and flash up to that spot? Why not have Seth closer to the ball and move into the backcourt as if he's a safety valve for the inbound? The least amount of misdirection could have helped.
 
SnoopRob said:
I think it's hard to overstate how big last night's debacle is.

If you had asked me at 6:49p yesterday, I would have said that I thought HD would be back next season, albeit under a greater "win or else" mandate than this year.

I now don't see much way that he can be the coach next year.

The game was everything that HD's critics complain about, on the biggest stage, in a magnified form. It's like it was custom-made to point out why his detractors are ready to move on.

It's a stunning, stunning outcome for a single game.
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It's a traumatic loss. Sometimes trauma is what makes things happen sometimes it paralyzes.

Monumental win for VCU. The Rams continue to be one of the truly impactful mid-majors.
 
rodoheel said:
Guys I still can't get over this press conference question and answer:

Why did you choose to go to a six-man rotation in the second half?

“Because that was my decision.”


Again, I know being pretty cringe on the mic has always been a part of who HD is. But I'm just astounded by that answer. Whatever HD thinks he is conveying there, all it does is make it sound like he didn't have a plan at all, and doesn't know why he decided to do that other than he just decided it on the spur of the moment.

I would prefer he just answer the damn question. I don't know what he thinks he is gaining by staying mum about a strategic decision after the season is already over. But even if you're not going to give a "real" answer, there are so many ways to deflect/non-answer that question:

"This is the NCAA tournament, 1 and done, and those were the guys our staff trusted to get it done in the second half"

"That was a decision we made at halftime based on how the first half had gone, and we felt it gave us the best chance to win"

"We went all the way to the national title game in 2022 mostly playing six guys. The tournament is different than the regular season and you ride your best players as much as possible."
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Or he could have been brutely honest and answered :

" Throughout the season we have been a 3 man team and the best one has been out for the season so going into the NCAAT I was left with a two man team and a rag tag group of very mediocre players. So I had to go with the best 4 players out of that group to give me a 6 player rotation."
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
The problem with that play is not that it was no-hope. It was that we've run it at least twice before in similar late-clock situations (I don't think we converted either time, but we got decent looks at the basket). Veesaar gets the inbounds, Seth gets a head of steam from the backcourt and chooses which side of Veesaar to go on based on the defense, and he gets the handoff at full speed with a defender getting naturally screened by Veesaar. It's not a bad concept.

But I knew what was coming based on the setup before the inbound, so I have to assume a competent coach/player that has scouted us would also know what was coming.

What I find baffling is why we didn't make the minimal effort to disguise that play. Veesaar was standing at the top of the key. Seth was way back in the backcourt. All before the ball was even handed to the inbounder. Why not have Veesaar start in the post and flash up to that spot? Why not have Seth closer to the ball and move into the backcourt as if he's a safety valve for the inbound? The least amount of misdirection could have helped.
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Didn't we literally run this play in our exhibition vs BYU? How we were still running the same late game play as we tried in our exhibition to start the year is also wild.
 
Bigs23 said:
You can look at it like that but if they had won last night it would not have mattered.

Do you think they win that game with Wilson playing?
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Why does what I think about Wilson playing matter, it wasn't a possibility.

And no, had they won last night by one of two points, for this discussion winning wouldn't have been the final answer. Had they held on, there would still be questions.

You wouldn't have asked what happened if we had won by one point considering the 19 point lead?
 
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