Hubert Davis Catch-all

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Peppers49 said:
Fully agree with the overall sentiment. His quote when he was originally hired about how you had to play at UNC to coach there or whatever was a major red flag from the jump.

That said, I don’t think he ever had the option to retain Robinson even if he had wanted to. Pretty sure I remember seeing that Robinson was
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Peppers49 said:
miffed at not getting the head job himself and wasn’t interested in sticking around for a subordinate role under another coach.
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I don't recall that. I thought Robinson was disappointed at not being retained.
 
UNCatTech said:
Why does what I think about Wilson playing matter, it wasn't a possibility.

And no, had they won last night by one of two points, for this discussion winning wouldn't have been the final answer. Had they held on, there would still be questions.

You wouldn't have asked what happened if we had won by one point considering the 19 point lead?
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I'd say survive and advance. It's March.

I mention Wilson because his absence drastically reduced how good this team was. Without him the Heels were about 2.5 point favorites against VCU.
 
UNCatTech said:
Exactly, from everything I've read the coaching staff didn't fight to keep Cadeau. If you make the choice to pay ways you have to do better with the replacement.
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There was also talk that Trimble wasn't going to play with EC. Was it one or the other?
 
farce© said:
He certainly didn’t resign. It was Hubert’s decision.
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My memory is that Coach Rob was fairly upset at not being considered for the HC role and wasn't interested in staying.

Additionally, HD was interested in an all-alum staff and not interested in retaining Coach Rob.

I think it was pretty much a situation where all parties agreed that it was for the best for Coach Rob to move on and so he did.
 
duluoz said:
Luka sucked and his low IQ was infuriating, but it’s hard to believe just how bad Evans was. Kid had no business being on the court and couldn’t wait to get rid of the ball anytime it found him. The fear was all over his face. What a disaster, and an expensive one.
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This was disappointing, especially considering where Cadeau is and the many misses in the portal.
 
CFordUNC said:
Even though I’m now firmly and irrevocably on the side of “it’s time to make a change at the head coaching position” I have no faith whatsoever that the PTBs at UNC will actually make that move yet, so hopefully there is at least an ultimatum that there must be changes on the assistant coaching staff to bring in outside perspective and experience. The obsessively insular nature of this program is going to be its unraveling.
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Nothing would surprise me with UNC athletics but I actually do think the way the loss happened and the national backlash to it is so severe that their hand has been forced.

My concern is that the people in charge buried their heads in the sand, didn’t do any sort of prep in the event that a coaching change might be necessary, and will be caught flat footed in a coaching search. The football search debacle from 2024 is still fresh in my mind lol.

We’re still in the middle of a drawn out athletic director transition so no one knows who’s even going to be the face of a move like this. Even if the big decisions like coaching changes are made collectively by a bunch of stakeholders, ideally you still need an AD to be the clear face of the move. In hindsight I feel like it was poor planning to go almost an entire year without a clear leader in that role and assuming that the two major sports would just run themselves smoothly without needing to make any major changes.
 
Bigs23 said:
I don't imagine people would have been thrilled with a Steve Robinson hiring.
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I probably wouldn’t have been thrilled, but I thought if Roy was replaced with an internal candidate it would be Robinson. His resume was far better than first time head coach Hubert Davis. At his age he could have served as a bridge to the next long term head coach while keeping things moving forward.

Were people thrilled by Hubert Davis hiring? I don’t remember a lot of excitement around the hire, but I’m old and forgetful. I do know I thought it was a mistake from the get go.
 
farce© said:
I probably wouldn’t have been thrilled, but I thought if Roy was replaced with an internal candidate it would be Robinson. His resume was far better than first time head coach Hubert Davis. At his age he could have served as a bridge to the next long term head coach while keeping things moving forward.

Were people thrilled by Hubert Davis hiring? I don’t remember a lot of excitement around the hire, but I’m old and forgetful. I do know I thought it was a mistake from the get go.
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A lot people were excited by it. But definitely not all. The players definitely were.
 
SnoopRob said:
I think it's hard to overstate how big last night's debacle is.

If you had asked me at 6:49p yesterday, I would have said that I thought HD would be back next season, albeit under a greater "win or else" mandate than this year.

I now don't see much way that he can be the coach next year.

The game was everything that HD's critics complain about, on the biggest stage, in a magnified form. It's like it was custom-made to point out why his detractors are ready to move on.

It's a stunning, stunning outcome for a single game.
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I had the exact same thoughts by the 5min mark of the 2nd half: HD will be coming back; Turner's had a full year on the job and can better address the portal this off season; hope HD can pull it all together next season with portal additions, returning players and 2 5* recruits.

Now, I too can't see how he survives this epic debacle.
 
farce© said:
I probably wouldn’t have been thrilled, but I thought if Roy was replaced with an internal candidate it would be Robinson. His resume was far better than first time head coach Hubert Davis. At his age he could have served as a bridge to the next long term head coach while keeping things moving forward.

Were people thrilled by Hubert Davis hiring? I don’t remember a lot of excitement around the hire, but I’m old and forgetful. I do know I thought it was a mistake from the get go.
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Robinson was 97-115 as a HC.
 
farce© said:
I probably wouldn’t have been thrilled, but I thought if Roy was replaced with an internal candidate it would be Robinson. His resume was far better than first time head coach Hubert Davis. At his age he could have served as a bridge to the next long term head coach while keeping things moving forward.

Were people thrilled by Hubert Davis hiring? I don’t remember a lot of excitement around the hire, but I’m old and forgetful. I do know I thought it was a mistake from the get go.
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I was concerned about experience but okay with the hire because I trusted Roy’s judgement and hoped sitting beside Roy for years would impart some skills that HD never had an opportunity to develop and demonstrate on his own as a head coach. And, despite not being an alum, an employee of UNC or ever having lived in NC, I grew up watching and admiring Dean Smith and the tradition of success and character UNC represented. I wanted to see the direct lineage to Smith (and Naismith) maintained for purely romantic reasons. Sadly, all of college sports has devolved into an impure, cynical, transactional beast that renders most all of that history a quaint, rapidly fading memory.

Now I’d settle for just seeing some good teamwork and smart basketball. HD hasn’t delivered much of either. If he’s given another year, I hope for the best and will pull for him, but zero tears will be shed if he’s pushed out.
 
Bigs23 said:
Do you mean 7 seasons?

I don't think UNC deserves anything though. You have to earn it every time.
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UNC deserves it because UNC has earned it. UNC and the Carolina fanbase have done their jobs. They have provided the facilities, the resources, the history, the brand recognition, and the patience. The coaching staff has not. That's my opinion.
 
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