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ZenMode said:
The claim that it's happening because of skin tone is your opinion and nothing more. There have been white people picked up also. Yes, most of the people here illegally have come from Mexico, Central and South America and are brown skinned. Because of their proximity to the US, they have the easiest path to sneak/get into the US and be here illegally.

Not many people are looking to escape Denmark or Canada. :rolleyes:

Good try, though.

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ZenMode said:
One would assume most people here illegally are ... "brown".
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ZenMode said:
I suspect they dropped Mexican as a racial category because it literally was never a recognized racial category.

Even today, if you select "white" on some online forms, likely some government forms, they'll have multiple subcategories "White - Hispanic", "White- non-Hispanic", "White - ...."

I'm baffled as to why the claim that Mexicans are generally considered to be white is so controversial that a debate has carried on for multiple pages.
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So, just to be clear, Hispanics should be considered “white” when you are in shocked indignation, but “brown” when used for profiling purposes?
 
ZenMode said:
Yes by me. Mexicans are brown skinned and apart of the Caucasian race.
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Race is not a real biological thing, and there is especially no such thing as the "Caucasian race." Race is simply a social construct that has different meanings to different people over different times. Italians, Irish and Jews did not become "white" until mid 20th century.

But there is no question that ICE targets brown-skinned immigrants above all else.
 
Calheel said:
Race is not a real biological thing, and there is especially no such thing as the "Caucasian race." Race is simply a social construct that has different meanings to different people over different times. Italians, Irish and Jews did not become "white" until mid 20th century.
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I think most Americans still believe in the existence of race, today.
Calheel said:
But there is no question that ICE targets brown-skinned immigrants above all else.
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Or it's just a fact that most illegal immigrants are brown....
 
superrific said:
What the fuck are you talking about? Mexicans are most commonly mestizo. The "caucasian race" does not exist and never did except in the fever dreams of 19th century racists.
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For the majority of all of our lives, there were somewhere between 3 and 5 recognized human races. Most Mex Mexicans, to varying degrees, we're a part of the Caucasian race.
 
ZenMode said:
For the majority of all of our lives, there were somewhere between 3 and 5 recognized human races. Most Mex Mexicans, to varying degrees, we're a part of the Caucasian race.
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For most of my life, there was a "Hispanic" box, as well as White/Caucasian, Black/African-American, Asian-American, Native American/Pacific Islander (although the -American were largely added in the 80s and 90s).

Grouping some latinos as "white" is a fairly recent development.
 
ZenMode said:
For the majority of all of our lives, there were somewhere between 3 and 5 recognized human races. Most Mex Mexicans, to varying degrees, we're a part of the Caucasian race.
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And, yet, you made this distinction earlier: “The claim that it's happening because of skin tone is your opinion and nothing more. There have been white people picked up also.” This implies, to me at least, that you, on some level, do not see people of Mexican/hispanic descent as “white,” in the same way that you consider yourself “white.”
 
Calheel said:
For most of my life, there was a "Hispanic" box, as well as White/Caucasian, Black/African-American, Asian-American, Native American/Pacific Islander (although the -American were largely added in the 80s and 90s).

Grouping some latinos as "white" is a fairly recent development.
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Recognizing Latinos as white may be a recent development, but it was still true long before being recognized.
 
sringwal said:
And, yet, you made this distinction earlier: “The claim that it's happening because of skin tone is your opinion and nothing more. There have been white people picked up also.” This implies, to me at least, that you, on some level, do not see people of Mexican/hispanic descent as “white,” in the same way that you consider yourself “white.”
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No, I have recognized Mexicans as white for a very long time. For purposes of The discussion that started on page 93 of this thread, I was distinguishing using more commonly recognized terms related to skin tone.
 
ZenMode said:
Recognizing Latinos as white may be a recent development, but it was still true long before being recognized.
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What do you mean "true"? There is no "truth" about race. It is purely about what is socially recognized.

Moreover, it is nonsense. Latin Americans are all different races. There are white, brown and black people in Latin America, and they are just as racist in those countries as they are here. How could you possibly claim that it is "true" that all people of Mexican descent are white?
 
Calheel said:
What do you mean "true"? There is no "truth" about race. It is purely about what is socially recognized.

Moreover, it is nonsense. Latin Americans are all different races. There are white, brown and black people in Latin America, and they are just as racist in those countries as they are here. How could you possibly claim that it is "true" that all people of Mexican descent are white?
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Like I said earlier, for the majority of all of our lives there have been three to five scientifically recognized races. That concept may be going away now, but it was true very very long time. During that time, and to varying degrees, lots of brown skinned people were considered to be caucasoid. Arabs. Indians. Latinos.
 
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ZenMode said:
Like I said earlier, for the majority of all of our lives there have been three to five scientifically recognized races. That concept may be going away now, but it was true very very long time. During that time, and to varying degrees, lots of brown skinned people were considered to be caucasoid. Arabs. Indians. Latinos.
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One of my friends wrote this book, you should probably read it.

Amazon.com: Whitewashed: America’s Invisible Middle Eastern Minority (Critical America, 46): 9780814783061: Tehranian, John: Books

Amazon.com: Whitewashed: America’s Invisible Middle Eastern Minority (Critical America, 46): 9780814783061: Tehranian, John: Books
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“… new data obtained by the UC Berkeley School of Law’s Deportation Data Project shows that 47 percent of people arrested by the agency in June had no criminal charges or convictions.

… The 47 percent figure is up from just 21 percent in early May, before White House aide Stephen Miller demanded officers make 3,000 arrests per day or be fired. Even ICE’s own data from June shows that 42 percent of its average 930 daily arrests involved people with no charges or convictions against them. …”
 
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