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Callatoroy
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So you like the idea that trump is fixing the immigration shit show he inherited but don’t like the sometimes inevitable and unfortunate pain that comes along with having to roundup approx. 10 to 15 million people that are running from, hiding from, and assaulting the people tasked with restoring integrity and security to our borders? On a macro level, ICE aren’t the bad guys here. That would be the democratic politicians who premeditatedly encouraged it and facilitated the disaster.
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“During a recent nationwide gang surge, ICE arrested over 1,780 individuals, with 1,472 identified as gang members, associates, or those facing criminal charges. Approximately 35% of those arrested had violent criminal histories, and 16 were identified as gang leaders, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Additionally, a separate operation focusing on MS-13 and 18th Street gangs resulted in 274 MS-13 arrests and 15 arrests related to the 18th Street gang.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
- Gang Surge Arrests: 1,785 individuals arrested, with 1,472 identified as gang-related.
- Violent Criminal Histories: Nearly 35% of those arrested had prior violent criminal records.
- Gang Leaders: 16 individuals arrested were identified as gang leaders.
- Criminal Charges: ICE also arrested individuals on charges including attempted murder, aggravated assault, and drug/firearms violations.
- Operation Matador: Targeting MS-13 and other gangs, this operation resulted in 274 MS-13 arrests and 15 arrests associated with the 18th Street gang, according to ICE.
- Criminal Records: Some gang members arrested had prior criminal histories, including assault
It's great that ICE seems to be arresting more actual criminals now than the first half of the year (and basically any time since the numbers were tracked), when the majority of people they were arresting and deporting had no criminal record (~70+%). And of the ones that did have a criminal record, less than 10% were violent criminals. Back when they were snatching people off the street and admitting they were deporting people by mistake.
Now all of a sudden they are arresting gang members at an 80% rate?
I wonder what the change could be attributed to?
How come empathy for the downtrodden and the unfortunate is always more toxic than empathy for those who can help you out?
Making tough policy decisions often impacts certain groups of people negatively and disproportionately. Maintaining empathy - and trying to mitigate the immediate effects of that decision - for those people isn't moral weakness. it's the moral minimum of what should we expect from our decision-makers.
Making tough policy decisions often impacts certain groups of people negatively and disproportionately. Maintaining empathy - and trying to mitigate the immediate effects of that decision - for those people isn't moral weakness. it's the moral minimum of what should we expect from our decision-makers.
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The campaign to devalue empathy is a billionaire class tool to root out the insidious teachings of religion, human cooperation, and labor, and turn everything into a vicious culture war. Billionaires thrive and consolidate power in chaos. It just so happens the devaluation of empathy maps neatly onto the racism, misogyny, and grievance identities of a staggering percentage of the population.
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The same people talking about "toxic" empathy are the same ones that will tell you how big of a Christian they are and how much they love Jesus. They are the epitome of the devil instead.
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Callatoroy
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Oh you can blame ice for the random cases that fall through the cracks that will eventually get fixed and those are unfortunate. But you can't bring yourself to thank ice for getting thousands upon thousands of murderers and rapists, and child molesters out of this country. So that makes you a hypocrite and someone who cares more about a green card holder than the people who have had family members murdered by people your party invited in. You should be deeply regretful for supporting the biden / harris border policy. But, you aren't. Such misplaced priorities and devoid of sympathy for those you played a part in their deaths.
So ICE wasn't doing this under Biden, regardless of if you or anyone else was thanking them or not?
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Yes ice was doing that under biden. What's your point? Biden restricted what ice could do and based on the mass influx that he invited, ice was quickly overwhelmed resulting in hundreds of thousands of criminals coming in. I'm sure you know that though.
Exactly what restrictions was ICE under, while they were deporting tens of thousands per year with criminal convictions?
Do you have a link to Biden's "invitation"? I must have missed that.
Hundreds of thousands of criminals coming in? Do you have any data backing that up?
If THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of violent criminals were sneaking into the US each year during the Biden Administration, why hasn’t the violent crime rate increased dramatically?
The violent crime rate has been under 400 per 100,000 residents since about 2010. In the early ‘90’s it had peaked at 750-800 per 100,000 residents.
The violent crime rate has been under 400 per 100,000 residents since about 2010. In the early ‘90’s it had peaked at 750-800 per 100,000 residents.
GTFO - border control has been a problem since the 90's. It's great that we're doing something to ensure better documentation of our immigration-dependent workforce but don't pretend the problem was due to dems while ignoring a) everything Repub congress/pres have done and b) global economic drivers which are the real incentive for border-crossers.
As for unfortunate pain, there are humane ways to do things, and there is performative theatre. Perhaps the performative theatre is intentional... but it isn't humane and this isn't "war" where unfortunate/inevitable pain is something that is supposed to be acceptable.
