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“… Foreign journalists reporting on the state of exception who fixate on CECOT are likely focusing on the wrong prisoners in the wrong prison. The middle-aged faces and full-body tattoos that appear in the footage from the megaprison suggest that they are gang members who have likely been in prison since well before the state of exception began. (Most Salvadoran gangs abandoned the practice of tattooing their faces years ago.)

In a sample of 1,177 people imprisoned under the state of exception, Cristosal’s researchers found that only 54 had tattoos and only nine of that group were linked to gangs. Of the hundreds of family members of people detained under the state of exception whom Cristosal has interviewed, almost all have been told by prison authorities that their relatives are not being held at CECOT. Prisoners’ relatives were instructed to bring monthly packages of food, medicine, and clothing to older prisons in other parts of the country.

If the bodies of the 85,000 people detained without warrants bear any marks, they are more likely those of scabies and torture rather than tattoos. Testimonies gathered by Cristosal from former prisoners describe horrific overcrowding, disease, and systematic denial of food, clothing, medicine, and basic hygiene in El Salvador’s older prisons. …”
 
ChileG said:
Are these the people for whom I’m not supposed to feel disgust?
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You're just experiencing that weakness of Western civilization, its bug if you will. Toxic empathy. Takes a few years to flush out of your system but surely then everything will be fine.
 
It never ceases to amaze me the things that make right-wingers scared.

This guy is basically turning them upside down over a toilet, like some bully with a pip squeak in high school, emptying their pockets to fund his crypto scams with Musk, and they're riding around with black American flags on their trucks like they're in some sort of great battle with a Venezuelan gang no one had ever even heard of before.

I don't make light of mental illness. I am mentally ill myself, as are some others here. And we've had good conversations about that.

But, my god! What in the hell is wrong with these people? It's a mass-produced cultural psychosis that makes them essentially mentally ill, whether or not they would be naturally.

Just dreadfully bored, spoiled stupid people that have to feel like they're they main character in some sort of movie plot.
 
1moretimeagain said:
It is unbelievable that we are rounding up people, no due process, not convicted of a crime or even charged with a crime, and sending them to a prison in El Salvador.
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And paying El Salvador to take them.

The money we are spending to deport them, we could easily pay enough judges to actually rule on their case, and enough people to process them after their case is heard.
 
It probably shouldn't need to be said, but in addition to violating the constitution, the renditions to El Salvador violate the Geneva Convention, the UN Convention Against Torture, and the federal Torture Victim Protection Act.

Interestingly, the TVPA allows civil suits in personal capacity against anyone who aids or abets torture by a foreign government. Hope you have some nice liability insurance, Pam Bondi, Tom Homan, Marco Rubio, etc. There are plaintiffs' attorneys (top-notch ones) salivating at the opportunities that will be presented.

Note also that the plaintiffs do not have to be US nationals or citizens in a TVPA lawsuit. They don't even have to be a resident. The TVPA is an amendment to the Alien Tort Statute.
 
sringwal said:
This is, without question, the most evil thing that the United States has done in my lifetime.
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were you alive for Vietnam? Unfortunately, the US did a lot of evil stuff in the 70s and 80s. Maybe more aiding and abetting, rather than direct responsibility, but still.
 
superrific said:
were you alive for Vietnam? Unfortunately, the US did a lot of evil stuff in the 70s and 80s. Maybe more aiding and abetting, rather than direct responsibility, but still.
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Well I will give Sringwall some creditif he adds "not in War time" .....
 
superrific said:
were you alive for Vietnam? Unfortunately, the US did a lot of evil stuff in the 70s and 80s. Maybe more aiding and abetting, rather than direct responsibility, but still.
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That’s true, but those activities were more covert. Now we have an administration that proudly boasts about the evil they inflict.
 
farce© said:
That’s true, but those activities were more covert. Now we have an administration that proudly boasts about the evil they inflict.
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Also, Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib were moral stains during W.’s administration but this is certainly the most in your face we are intentionally taking the Dark Side as a policy matter (as opposed to clandestine or out of control junior officer atrocities). Back during W.’s Administration, Lindsay Graham was one of the most outspoken Senators about Guantanamo Bay abuses, BTW. Now?

crickets GIF
 
mpaer said:
Well I will give Sringwall some credit if he adds "not in War time" .....
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That’s fair, but I will also counter that those actions were treated as necessary evils. In this case, Trump and Co. sound gleeful.

I also fear that the size and scope of this operation is going to expand exponentially.
 
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