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StrangePackage said:
Lies?

Correct.
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Regardless of whether he comes back to the USA or not, he can't just sit in an El Salvadorian prison forever. Even the most fervent anti-immigration person has to realize that a life sentence is not appropriate for someone that has never been convicted, or even tried, for a crime.
 
Silence Dogood said:
He was seen by two immigration judges.
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I'm asking about you. I agree no one is above the law. Nor is anyone beneath it.

Suppose you're charged with a crime. One you didn't commit, since we're all in agreement that everyone should follow the law. Do you believe you're entitled to due process?
 
Silence Dogood said:
www.dhs.gov

DHS Releases Bombshell Investigative Report on Kilmar Abrego Garcia Suspected Human Trafficking Incident | Homeland Security

The Department of Homeland Security released a Homeland Security Investigations’ Combined Intelligence Unit (CIU) Investigative Referral report on Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
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Did you even read that? There's literally nothing there. Where's the report? Oh, there wasn't one. Convenient. Still, somehow without a report, they stated that the officer "suspected a human trafficking" incident? How do we know this? There was no report. Did they interview the guy? Where's his statement? Why do we have to rely on third-order hearsay?

And does the story even make sense? TN trooper pulls him over, suspects human trafficking . . . and then lets him go with a citation for a suspended license? Really? In TN?

Would he really have just let the guy go if he suspected human trafficking? That story doesn't pass the smell test.

Why didn't the Justice Department present this evidence in court? Hmm. For that matter, why is the report dated 4/17/25? They literally just wrote this.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Yes
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I agree. And do you want to be guaranteed that process because you want to keep the government honest before it deprives you of life, liberty, or property? As you said, you expect to be punished if you break the law. Presumably you also expect not to be punished if you don't. Isn't the process how we keep the government on the right side of that line? And isn't it especially important to keep that line in place given the immense power and resources the government has?

So, my question again is: If you can achieve the same result (deportation to El Salvador) or substantially the same result (deportation to some other country) while following the law, why would you not want to do that?
 
Calheel said:
Regardless of whether he comes back to the USA or not, he can't just sit in an El Salvadorian prison forever. Even the most fervent anti-immigration person has to realize that a life sentence is not appropriate for someone that has never been convicted, or even tried, for a crime.
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I fear you underestimate the depravity of MAGA.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
I agree. And do you want to be guaranteed that process because you want to keep the government honest before it deprives you of life, liberty, or property? As you said, you expect to be punished if you break the law. Presumably you also expect not to be punished if you don't. Isn't the process how we keep the government on the right side of that line? And isn't it especially important to keep that line in place given the immense power and resources the government has?

So, my question again is: If you can achieve the same result (deportation to El Salvador) or substantially the same result (deportation to some other country) while following the law, why would you not want to do that?
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Hes a citizen of El Salvador
 
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