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TangledUpInBlue06 said:
Not that I've been going around saying "Abolish ICE" or even giving the phrase much thought, but you guys make solid points, and I'll take care to use "Replace ICE" should I ever be in the position. The main point though is that ICE cannot continue in its current form, and I think "Abolish ICE" tries to convey that in as strong a term as possible, but loses clarity and precision in its attempt to gain forcefulness.
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Following up on this point, Gallego today said (per TPM):

"I think ICE needs to be totally torn down… People want immigration enforcement that goes after criminals, not the goon squad that has come from Stephen Miller and Trump."

I like Gallego's phrasing. The problem with abolish is that it sounds like a slogan (and in fact is in many circles). So if you say, "I want to abolish ICE and replace it" the abolish part can be pulled out to scare people. You could do the same with "totally torn down" but it's much more awkward. The point is, we still want immigration enforcement, just not in this way.

I think Gallego is also right to merge Trump and Miller into this one fascist object "Trump and Miller" and then tie GOPers to it. Because Miller, as far as I can tell, is universally disliked. Because, well, we all know why. Right wingers love some of his ideas but I have my doubts they like the guy -- I've never seen any right winger praise stephen miller. In fact, I've never seen anyone praise him, including Katie Miller
 

“The U.S. Department of Justice said Sunday it is investigating a group of protesters in Minnesota who disrupted services at a church where a local official with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement apparently serves as a pastor.

A livestreamed video posted on the Facebook page of Black Lives Matter Minnesota, one of the protest's organizers, shows a group of people interrupting services at the Cities Church in St. Paul by chanting “ICE out” and “Justice for Renee Good." …”
 
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“The U.S. Department of Justice said Sunday it is investigating a group of protesters in Minnesota who disrupted services at a church where a local official with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement apparently serves as a pastor.

A livestreamed video posted on the Facebook page of Black Lives Matter Minnesota, one of the protest's organizers, shows a group of people interrupting services at the Cities Church in St. Paul by chanting “ICE out” and “Justice for Renee Good." …”
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“…Tim Walz and Jacob Frey are responsible for whipping these mobs into a frenzy and then allowing them to run rampant.

We won’t be deterred. ICE isn’t going anywhere.”
 
No, it's ICE going from house to house hunting for people. I missed the storming of the service I guess. It is not, of course, against the law to protest where an ICE agent works.
 

Aftermath video of latest ICE shooting involving a man officials say assaulted an officer contradicts officials’ account​



“Newly obtained videos of the moments right after the Wednesday incident in which an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent shot a Venezuelan man in the leg in Minneapolis appear to contradict at least some of ICE’s claims about events leading up to the shooting.

… According to DHS, federal agents were conducting a “targeted traffic stop” when, they say, Julio Sosa-Celis, an undocumented Venezuelan national, resisted arrest and started to “violently assault” one of its officers. During the struggle, DHS said in the statement, two additional people came out of a nearby apartment and attacked the officer using a snow shovel and a broom handle.

According to DHS, Sosa-Celis “got loose” and began striking an agent “with a shovel or broom stick.” DHS says the agent then “fired a defensive shot,” which hit Sosa-Celis in the leg.

… In the [video] call [to family members immediately after the shooting], Sosa-Celis’ partner seems to say the driver of the car was not Sosa-Celis, but Alfredo Alejandro Aljorna — another man ICE detained during the same raid.

“Julio arrived first. They were chasing Alfredo — he had to jump from his car,” Sosa-Celis’ partner says during the call. “He ran and they threw themselves on top of him. After, Julio threw open the door, and they shot.”

… The family’s version of events, heard in a livestreamed Facebook video when family members frantically called 911 to ask for help, also differs from DHS’ statement.

… In the video, the family tells a 911 dispatcher that agents shot Sosa-Celis as he tried to enter his home.

… A different video obtained by CNN shows what was happening outside the home while the family waited inside.

In the video, agents are seen approaching the home and setting off a flash-bang. Smoke can be seen, and ramming sounds are heard as someone says, “They’re in! There’s more than a dozen of them.”…”
 
nycfan said:

Aftermath video of latest ICE shooting involving a man officials say assaulted an officer contradicts officials’ account​



“Newly obtained videos of the moments right after the Wednesday incident in which an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent shot a Venezuelan man in the leg in Minneapolis appear to contradict at least some of ICE’s claims about events leading up to the shooting.

… According to DHS, federal agents were conducting a “targeted traffic stop” when, they say, Julio Sosa-Celis, an undocumented Venezuelan national, resisted arrest and started to “violently assault” one of its officers. During the struggle, DHS said in the statement, two additional people came out of a nearby apartment and attacked the officer using a snow shovel and a broom handle.

According to DHS, Sosa-Celis “got loose” and began striking an agent “with a shovel or broom stick.” DHS says the agent then “fired a defensive shot,” which hit Sosa-Celis in the leg.

… In the [video] call [to family members immediately after the shooting], Sosa-Celis’ partner seems to say the driver of the car was not Sosa-Celis, but Alfredo Alejandro Aljorna — another man ICE detained during the same raid.

“Julio arrived first. They were chasing Alfredo — he had to jump from his car,” Sosa-Celis’ partner says during the call. “He ran and they threw themselves on top of him. After, Julio threw open the door, and they shot.”

… The family’s version of events, heard in a livestreamed Facebook video when family members frantically called 911 to ask for help, also differs from DHS’ statement.

… In the video, the family tells a 911 dispatcher that agents shot Sosa-Celis as he tried to enter his home.

… A different video obtained by CNN shows what was happening outside the home while the family waited inside.

In the video, agents are seen approaching the home and setting off a flash-bang. Smoke can be seen, and ramming sounds are heard as someone says, “They’re in! There’s more than a dozen of them.”…”
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“…In the Thursday statement from DHS, ICE said the agent who shot Sosa-Celis did so after chasing him on foot after Sosa-Celis crashed into a parked car. DHS also described the agent as “fearing for his life” when he fired the shot. But in an interview with CNN, Mabel Aljorna, the mother of Alfredo Alejandro Aljorna, disputed both of those claims on the basis of her conversation with her son immediately after the shooting.

Aljorna said her son told her he was the one being pursued on foot by ICE, and that Sosa-Celis was already inside the home when the agent shot him — not outside, where ICE says the agent fired the shot.

“He told me, ‘Mom, ICE was chasing me. Once we were inside, they shot at Julio.’”…”
 
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