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It is important to realize this about the Trump administration and ICE:

Tactics=Policy

There is no separation from the manner in how ICE carries out its mission from the policy of the administration. The immediate reactions to the murders in Minneapolis was the policy. Only after getting tremendous pushback have they retreated an inch.
 


HOMAN: The reason for the massive deployment is because of the threats and violence
 
Not sure what they're protesting...

Federal officials said they took the boy with them after the father told officers he wanted the child to remain with him, according to a social media post from DHS on Thursday.

The agency said the officers “made multiple attempts to get the mother inside the house to take custody of her child. Officers even assured her that they would NOT take her into custody. She refused to accept custody of the child.”

“Our officers primary concern during the entire operation was the safety and welfare of the child,” DHS added. “Following the mother’s abandonment of the child, officers abided by the father’s wishes to keep the child with him. Father and son are together at Dilley.”

Liam’s mother was “terrified” of the agents outside her door, Pastor Sergio Amezcua, who has been helping the mother since her husband and son were taken, told CNN’s Laura Coates Thursday night.

Imagine not only being dumb enough to take ICE at their word, but to come here and announce that you are dumb enough to take ICE at their word.
 
You don’t think it logical that ice would identify the person they were after if he had a criminal record? Direct question asked to you twice: if the individual ice was targeting in the lead up to the Pretti shooting was in fact wanted for / convicted for domestic abuse, do you support deporting him? That’s not a hypothetical. It has a reasonable chance of being true. But if it isn’t that guy there are hundreds more who have been.
From NY Times “Federal officials said agents were looking for an Ecuadorean named Jose Huerta-Chuma. Records show he faced allegations of domestic assault and had several traffic infractions.”.
You keep saying stuff like this, yet ignoring the fact that by "reasonable" you can only mean less than a 30% chance, at best.

They're targeting brown people, that's it. Their own numbers say this. You have a lot of nerve talking about what other people are ignoring, but every time this is pointed out to you, you conveniently ignore that. The entire thing is based on lies and propaganda that you've bought in to.

So once again, let's walk though it. In 2024, the people ICE arrested were 70% likely go have a criminal record (or pending charges):
"ICE continued to prioritize its enforcement resources by arresting noncitizens with criminal convictions or pending charges. Over 81,312 (71.7%) of the 113,431 arrests were of noncitizens with criminal convictions or pending charges. In contrast, 73,822 (43%) of the 170,590 noncitizens arrested in fiscal year 2023 had criminal histories."

Note that this is from ice.gov. Last time I posted these numbers, you responded with stupid shit like "Newsweek?", as if the source wasn't legitimate.

And in 2025, instead of 70%, it was around 30%, with less than 10% being violent offenders:

https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convictions-73-no-convictions

Full year data is not available yet, so this is dated late 2025. If you want to argue these numbers, you're going to find sources like "trust me bro" "Federal officials", Kristi Noem lying through her teeth, and other such propaganda. Which is basically all you have. So even if this ONE particular case was actually targeting a violent offender (which has a 90% chance of being untrue), who fucking cares. We're talking about a quota-based enforcement policy, which is completely stupid, and based on racist propaganda from people like Stephen Miller.

This is why, as I said before, you're a dime store Charlie Kirk. You start out with a falsehood and you base the rest of your arguments on that.

You mentioned the boarder bill being "garbage" earlier. But you never say why. The bill featured the following:

- Allowed DHS to temporarily shut the border under surge conditions (which is what happened starting in 2020, a surge) based on number of average daily crossings
- Overhauled asylum processing (making them much more limited and expediting removing conditions) and expanded enforcement, funded asylum processing/judges/etc
- Increased funding for border security overall
- It literally added funding for physical infrastructure (a fucking wall)

So why don't YOU tell me what was "garbage" about it, from your perspective? Because the reality is it was killed by Trump because it would take away from his campaign message that the border was in crisis. It would be harder for MAGA to trot out "Laken Riley!" to use as a political talking point. Which is all they care about, they don't care about her, just that her killer was a brown immigrant.

But you want to keep splitting hairs about exactly what crimes an immigrant needs to commit to get deported. But actual facts and reality are "stat manipulating games", because you don't want to address them.

Now go ahead and show what a great masterdebater you are and change the conversation...
 
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I DO NOT LIKE HOW THE GOALPOSTS HAVE SHIFTED ON THIS DEBATE.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but our fouth amendment rights are not up for negotiation.

Our right that protects us from unreasonable search and seizures is not a chip on the negotiationg table. IT IS INALIENABLE.

Any framing that sees this as something to be negotiated is a suicide pact.

For the love of God, people, wake up.
 
It is important to realize this about the Trump administration and ICE:

Tactics=Policy

There is no separation from the manner in how ICE carries out its mission from the policy of the administration. The immediate reactions to the murders in Minneapolis was the policy. Only after getting tremendous pushback have they retreated an inch.
Yep. Under previous administrations, ICE worked quietly. You never saw them. They didn't roll into down like the military.

That doesn't automatically mean they're doing anything wrong or illegal. ICE's job is to find people here illegally and deport them.

People just don't like that they're working "in your face".
 
Yep. Under previous administrations, ICE worked quietly. You never saw them. They didn't roll into down like the military.

That doesn't automatically mean they're doing anything wrong or illegal. ICE's job is to find people here illegally and deport them.

People just don't like that they're working "in your face".
No law enforcement should seek to work "in your face". That's not law enforcement. Its terrorizing.
 
No law enforcement should seek to work "in your face". That's not law enforcement. Its terrorizing.

100%. It’s very obvious to anyone with a brain that ICE’s actions during Trump 2 have been intentionally confrontational. It’s political retribution. That’s why they’re not raiding construction sites in red states.

I probably favor a much more conservative view of immigration that most on the board- would like immigration laws to be enforced, stricter immigration requirements and more secure southern border. I’m deeply uncomfortable and angry with the way things are playing out currently.
 
Yep. Under previous administrations, ICE worked quietly. You never saw them. They didn't roll into down like the military.

That doesn't automatically mean they're doing anything wrong or illegal. ICE's job is to find people here illegally and deport them.

People just don't like that they're working "in your face".
You are missing my point but I am not going to go back and forth with you on it.
 
No law enforcement should seek to work "in your face". That's not law enforcement. Its terrorizing.
I assume you mean "shouldn't".

ICE isn't seeking out protesters, protesters are seeking out ICE. When I say "In your face", I mean they are going into cities in the middle of the day, with a caravan of vehicles and doing nothing to keep their presence a secret as they did in the past. They're going into places that they may not have gone into previously, many of them in public.

The ridiculous social media antics of the Trump admin also don't help.
 
The only rhetoric??? You sure about that. You are right smack in the middle of a group think rhetoric filled message board. You are faced with hyper emotional comments on this board every time you log in. Hundreds of posts and videos on here from “journalists” and influencers with agendas. How many times is nazi or nazi references used on this board? You specifically have made those references. With any degree of rational thought, think how utterly stupid it is to compare any human in our g’ment to a group that killed 6 million people. Good and Pretti were TRAGICALLY killed. Better tactics / training / messaging / whatever and those two are alive. Even in the worst possible case that the 3 ice agents were actively seeking to kill someone. That's 2 compared to 6 million and the attempted exterminatioin of a race and yet you (the left) can't emotionally discuss what has taking place with any degree of rational seriousness. You want to lash out at anyone who dares disagree with your narrative. You insult an entire race of people every time you utter nazi references by stupidly making the irrational equivacation. So every time you do it, just know you are showing the emotional maturity of a teenager and can't be taken serious by anyone other than people like cford.
Buddy. Pal. Friend. The Nazis killed 6 million Jews. That's not the equivalent population for ICE's killing of Renee Good and Alex Pretti, they're collateral damage. The analagous population is undocumented people and people whom ICE thinks are undocumented (which is to say, people with foreign last names and non-white skin). By their own admission, 15 died in ICE custody after Trump took office in the year of 2025. They've already killed 6 more this month. So yeah, they're ramping things up and operating like Nazis, and absolutely working on exterminating at least one race.
 
Last thing I’ll say to you, though, is that as the second youngest member of this message board community behind Paine, I want to sincerely thank you for showing me at age 35 everything that I could have- but thankfully will not, because I actually have principles and values and the ability to grow- grow up to be as a bitter, failed, angry mid-50’s loser ranting late night on his iPad on a damn Internet message board full of libs. Thank you for providing the perfect example to a youngin’ like me of everything I should aspire to be the exact opposite of!
lol. idk what your bar for "membership" is, but I am slightly younger than you
 
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